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[quote]Our government does not have the right to justify pre-emptive invasion of another country on the grounds that the other country harbors, trains, equips and funds a terrorist cell.[/quote]This is dumb. States have the right to act in self-defense, which includes eliminating threats like terrorism.
[quote] Our government should establish a policy to abolish nuclear weapons.[/quote]No.
[quote]Declare a no-first-strike policy.
Declare a no-pre-emptive strike policy.[/quote]Actually not too bad.
[quote]The United States government must reduce our defense budget to half of its current size.[/quote]No.
[quote]The U.S. has over 700 foreign military bases. We urge our government to phase out all bases not specifically functioning under a U.N. resolution to keep peace and bring home our troops stationed abroad, except for the military assigned to protect a U.S. embassy. Many of these bases are small and can be closed immediately. We advocate further reductions in U.S. foreign military bases at a rate of closure of 1/4 to 1/5 of their numbers every year.[/quote]Absolutely ridiculous.
[quote]The U.S. is the largest arms seller and dealer in the world. We urge our government to prohibit all arms sales to foreign nations and likewise prohibit grants to impoverished and undemocratic nations unless the money is targeted on domestic, non-military needs. In addition, grants to other nations may not be used to release their own funds for military purposes.[/quote]Also dumb.
[quote] The U.S. must not be a conduit for defense contractors to market their products abroad and must shift our export market from arms to peaceful technology, industrial and agricultural products, and education.[/quote]I'd be willing to support a reduction in the use of contractors, sure.
[quote]The U.S. must prohibit all covert actions used to influence, de-stabilize or usurp the governments of other nations, and likewise prohibit the assassination of, or assistance in any form for the assassination of, foreign government officials.[/quote]Dumb.
[quote]The Palestinian-Israeli Conflict[/quote]The entire thing disregards anything bad Palestinians have done.
[quote]Puerto Rican Independence[/quote]How about letting them decide what they want rather than us letting them go? Fun fact: They held a referendum a year or two ago that favored becoming a state rather than being independent.
[quote]Domestic Security[/quote]I agree with some, but most would actually harm domestic security in regards to terrorism.
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Okay, Armchair General.
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I can't tell if this was supposed to be a derogatory statement or not.
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It was.
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>completely missed the condescending attitude
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We're on the internet, there is no attitude, only text.
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Sorry.
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[quote][quote]Our government does not have the right to justify pre-emptive invasion of another country on the grounds that the other country harbors, trains, equips and funds a terrorist cell.[/quote]This is dumb. States have the right to act in self-defense, which includes eliminating threats like terrorism. [/quote]They don't, however, have the rights to send soldiers into another country and bother the locals over a perceived threat. [quote][quote] Our government should establish a policy to abolish nuclear weapons.[/quote]No.[/quote]Yes. [quote] [quote]Declare a no-first-strike policy. Declare a no-pre-emptive strike policy.[/quote]Actually not too bad. [/quote]No need to respond here. [quote][quote]The United States government must reduce our defense budget to half of its current size.[/quote]No.[/quote]Yes. [quote][quote]The U.S. has over 700 foreign military bases. We urge our government to phase out all bases not specifically functioning under a U.N. resolution to keep peace and bring home our troops stationed abroad, except for the military assigned to protect a U.S. embassy. Many of these bases are small and can be closed immediately. We advocate further reductions in U.S. foreign military bases at a rate of closure of 1/4 to 1/5 of their numbers every year.[/quote]Absolutely ridiculous. [/quote]Because we absolutely need to have soldiers in places like Germany. There truly is a threat of the National Socialist party returning to power. [quote][quote]The U.S. is the largest arms seller and dealer in the world. We urge our government to prohibit all arms sales to foreign nations and likewise prohibit grants to impoverished and undemocratic nations unless the money is targeted on domestic, non-military needs. In addition, grants to other nations may not be used to release their own funds for military purposes.[/quote]Also dumb.[/quote]No dumb would be funding Banana Republics that are planning on attacking each other. Also we need to stop giving weapons to Israel to kill Palestinians, but usually people flip out on that so I'm not getting into it. [quote][quote] The U.S. must not be a conduit for defense contractors to market their products abroad and must shift our export market from arms to peaceful technology, industrial and agricultural products, and education.[/quote]I'd be willing to support a reduction in the use of contractors, sure. [/quote]Again, agreed. [quote] [quote]The U.S. must prohibit all covert actions used to influence, de-stabilize or usurp the governments of other nations, and likewise prohibit the assassination of, or assistance in any form for the assassination of, foreign government officials.[/quote]Dumb.[/quote]It's absolutely unacceptable for our government to kill foreign officials that don't like us and manipulate their governments. Hawks like to preach that we should help to spread Democracy, but that means letting the foreign people choose their own leaders, even if we don't like them. [quote][quote]The Palestinian-Israeli Conflict[/quote]The entire thing disregards anything bad Palestinians have done. [/quote]The Palestinians aren't all angels, but they aren't as genocidal as the IDF. [quote] [quote]Puerto Rican Independence[/quote]How about letting them decide what they want rather than us letting them go? Fun fact: They held a referendum a year or two ago that favored becoming a state rather than being independent. [/quote]I agree. Puerto Rico should hold a popular vote to decide it's path. [quote][quote]Domestic Security[/quote]I agree with some, but most would actually harm domestic security in regards to terrorism.[/quote]Terrorism is not as much of a threat as I get the feeling you think it is. Even so, we cannot give up our freedoms out of fear, lest we face a bigger threat in the form of corruption and abuse of power.
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Edited by MoReCoWbELLx2x1: 2/6/2014 3:46:09 AM[quote][quote]The U.S. has over 700 foreign military bases. We urge our government to phase out all bases not specifically functioning under a U.N. resolution to keep peace and bring home our troops stationed abroad, except for the military assigned to protect a U.S. embassy. Many of these bases are small and can be closed immediately. We advocate further reductions in U.S. foreign military bases at a rate of closure of 1/4 to 1/5 of their numbers every year.[/quote]Absolutely ridiculous. [/quote][quote]Because we absolutely need to have soldiers in places like Germany. There truly is a threat of the National Socialist party returning to power.[/quote] You have no idea why we have those in Germany if that's what you think.
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Edited by Mags: 2/6/2014 2:41:08 AMLet me just begin by saying that I respect your opinion. [quote]They don't, however, have the rights to send soldiers into another country and bother the locals over a perceived threat.[/quote]If the threat is real enough, states do have to right to act in self-defense. If the cell is actively targeting another state under the protection of a host state, the attacked state has every right to attack the host state militarily. But let me clarify, diplomacy should be used first. By that, I mean we use diplomacy to try to persuade the host country to eradicate the terrorist organization. If they refuse and all other options are exhausted, then may military action be used. [quote]Yes.[/quote]No. Nuclear weapons add an unprecendent level of deterrence in regards to state actors. [quote]Yes.[/quote]That severely limits the operational capacity of the military to perform it's many, many duties ranging from payroll to training to protecting the seas. [quote]Because we absolutely need to have soldiers in places like Germany. [/quote]It promotes partnership with the host country. I would be willing to shut down any military base in a foreign country if the host country wants us out. [quote]No dumb would be funding Banana Republics that are planning on attacking each other. [/quote]I've explained in another post how selling arms to other countries can be and is beneficial to regional, global and our own national security. [quote]Also we need to stop giving weapons to Israel to kill Palestinians[/quote]B... [quote] but usually people flip out on that so I'm not getting into it.[/quote]Fair enough. [quote]It's absolutely unacceptable for our government to kill foreign officials that don't like us and manipulate their governments.[/quote]I see covert action to influence outcomes in a foreign country as a viable option to obtaining and/or securing our interests. This opinion will not change. [quote]The Palestinians aren't all angels, but they aren't as genocidal as the IDF.[/quote]You already said you wish to not get into this, so I will respect said wish. [quote]Terrorism is not as much of a threat as I get the feeling you think it is. [/quote]Terrorism is a pretty big threat when it comes to our oversees interests and several terrorist organizations are still actively plotting to attack us. It may not be as big of a threat as say cybersecurity, but it's a real threat nonetheless.