[quote]The reason that the WiiU is failing isn't due to people not wanting Nintendo products. It's an image issue. Sticking a 'U' at the end of the Wii name isn't going to effectively tell people that it's a new platform,[/quote] What? The Xbox One's name isn't any better. Sticking a "One" at the end of the Xbox name isn't going to effectively tell people that it's a new platform. It's going to tell them it's the first Xbox. Let's be real here. The name isn't the problem. It's the system, its game and most of all the idiots that are incharged. It's servilely underpowered compared to the One and PS4. Once again Nintendo is going to be missing out of the 3rd party support Sony and MS will get. Then for their 1st party games it's nothing but Zelda and Mario. They do have others like The Last Story & Pandora's Tower, but you don't hear about them because the same IP's keep being pumping out which results in them being swept under the carpet. Then there's Nintendo forgetting about their older fanbase. They do not carter to them at all. They don't all have to make a mindless M-rated game like Gears. But there's no reason why there can't be games that are like Tomb Raider, Last of Us and Human Revolution that target the older fanbase.

[quote]The reason that the WiiU is failing isn't due to people not wanting Nintendo products. It's an image issue.[/quote] -blam!-in' really? [quote]Sticking a 'U' at the end of the Wii name isn't going to effectively tell people that it's a new platform, it's the same issue the 3DS initially had. The console looks like a Wii, and the controller is the emphasis, making the general public believe it's just a Wii add-on. And the final nail in the coffin is that there is simply no marketing for the thing. Plain and simple.[/quote] [b]-blam!-in' really?[/b] How about the fact that the Wii U was and is a complete pain in the ass to code for because of it's entirely different architecture from even the 360/PS3? Not to mention that the games have to be scaled down so the Wii U can actually run because it's power is only slightly above the 360/PS3? Or the fact that Nintendo can't seem to give two flying -blam!-s about third party developers? Then we have the cost of the machine where most, or at least a significant chunk, of it comes from the godforsaken gimmicky paperweight that is the bundled tablet/controller. Hell, when it launched it lacked a compelling reason to buy it. Sure there were a bunch of third party titles. ME3, Darksiders 2, etc, etc. I owned all of those titles already. On my 360/PS3. And the new ones coming out weren't reason enough to buy it because the only reason to buy them was because of slight DLC type addons and a change in the gameplay to make use of the bundled gimmick paperweight tablet when a seperate menu screen or change in view could have worked just as well. And then we get to the lack of Nintendo games. Sure we eventually got Pikmin. Emphasis on the eventually. And we are eventually going to get Smash. Again emphasis on the eventually. And eventually we're going to get a Wii U Zelda. Again: Emphasis. Eventually. These are the games that should have been available at launch. Not to mention that Nintendo is just sitting on untouched IPs (Metroid and Starfox) while they go on a -blam!-ing Mario binge. Again. Those games could have been attractive pieces of bait to lure in the hardcore crowd. A "adult" Zelda (Twilight Princess/Skyward Sword) could have done the same thing. The image issue and initial confusion over what the Wii U actually was, a separate console rather than Wii addon, was a problem. But the fact that it's a underpowered console with a gimmick bloating up the cost that lacked and still lacks any games to play on it is the problem currently. And the games part isn't going to get better. Sure, the Nintendo IPs will eventually come. Eventually. But the other games on the XB1/PS4 won't. The console just can't run them. Games on the 360/PS3 won't come either. There's not enough money to be made making ports and the Wii U lacks a compelling reason to buy the Wii U version over the 360 or the PS3 version. And so far, Nintendo won't be separating the tablet and the console any time soon. Just about the only compelling reason there is to buy a Wii U is for the Nintendo exclusives. And for someone like me, who doesn't care about 90% of the line-up, the Wii U is just too cost prohibitive to buy. If they flung that tablet out of the window like the square frisbee it is, I would buy it. Because the Wii U does have games I want. And because I'm dam certain the cost would drop like a stone. [quote]So all-in-all, will Nintendo die/be doomed/go bankrupt/go third party as a result of the Wii U? No. However, they definitely need a new strategy, as they simply aren't moving any units. We'll see if such a thing comes to fruition.[/quote] OP wasn't saying that Nintendo is going to die. OP was saying that Nintendo is hurting. And strategy can't fix the problem. That's a fundamental problem with the console as a concept. No amount of strategy is going to overcome the fact that the console is just not attractive.

You've gone incoherent, Methew. [spoiler]Actually that was perfect. [/spoiler]

I don't think that the gamepad is a bad cost pushing gimmick, that would be Kinect 2.0, and that one just sucks.

Not true, i actually [i]use[/i] the kinect 2.0, if i wanted a tablet id buy an iPad for the same money