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1/12/2014 2:51:47 AM
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Considering everything else they've said that's proved untrue or been outright lies, I'm not going to trust a thing he says when all of the evidence points to the contrary and take any comments anyone with any kind of pull or influence over the story says with a whole heaping mountain of salt >_>
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[quote]Considering everything else they've said that's proved untrue or been outright lies,[/quote] Like what?
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Well for starters saying that no one would have to read the books or do anything else in order to understand Halo 4 and then it being the exact opposite of that, the many various comments about bonus materials like Ken mentioned, saying that Halo 4 would be more like CE-3 instead of Reach there was a lot in the multiplayer that really isn't much like them at all....those are what I can think of off the top of my head.
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[quote]Well for starters saying that no one would have to read the books or do anything else in order to understand Halo 4 and then it being the exact opposite of that,[/quote] explain. aside from the covenant (which were dealt with in spops; though i agree it's not a great way to handle things). everything else immediately relevant to halo 4's conflicts was explained. chronarch, lord of admirals, and roberto_jh have analyzed the dialogue in the game numerous times and come to the same conclusion: while the game glosses over elements fast, in the end an attentive mind can still pick up on every relevant plot thread aside from jul's covenant. [quote]the many various comments about bonus materials like Ken mentioned,[/quote] spectacular. how is this relevant to the lore in any way, shape, or form? [quote]saying that Halo 4 would be more like CE-3 instead of Reach[/quote] *shakes head laughing* [i]anyone[/i] who kept with the hype train knows that 343 was unequivocally stating that they would make massive changes to the halo formula. [url=http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1270736/halo_4_radically_different_multiplayer_undergoing_big_changes_343.html]in addition to another page (which seems to have dropped off the face of the planet) where frankie said that halo 4's multiplayer changes would come under more criticism than reach's, you have this link where frankie states upfront that halo 4 was going to be "radically different."[/url] also: -game removed bloom -heightened movement speed -raised jump height -brought back the br -brought back more symmetrical maps while i'm obviously not saying that halo 4's multiplayer is classic halo by any means, i'm saying that they did bring certain aspects of it back to the way they were in the original trilogy. they never said "multiplayer will literally be halo combat evolved reincarnated." the closest thing they've said to that was at the end of "return of the forerunners" and even then it was regarding the actual game. and [i]even then[/i] they stated, again, that they would change things. and all this is absolutely [b]comical[/b] if we take a gander at the goddamn "making infinity multiplayer" vidoc... [quote]those are what I can think of off the top of my head.[/quote] 66% irrelevant, 33% wrong, 1% right. excellent, but unsurprising.
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[quote]explain. aside from the covenant (which were dealt with in spops; though i agree it's not a great way to handle things). everything else immediately relevant to halo 4's conflicts was explained. chronarch, lord of admirals, and roberto_jh have analyzed the dialogue in the game numerous times and come to the same conclusion: while the game glosses over elements fast, in the end an attentive mind can still pick up on every relevant plot thread aside from jul's covenant.[/quote] There isn't any explanation for or about them in SpOps anymore than there is in the campaign, to learn just where the hell Jul came from or how he even got any kind of force together one has to turn to the books for explanation. The game does not explain enough about any of its relevant plot material all on its own, all of it relies too heavily on the books and in Lasky's case on Forward Unto Dawn. What 343i said, and what the game actually does completely contradict each other, one can't just play the game to understand what's going on, hence the [i]many[/i] people all over the forums both on here and Waypoint asking about what's going on or for explanations....because none of them knew what happened in the peripheral materials. [quote]spectacular. how is this relevant to the lore in any way, shape, or form? [/quote] Who said it had to be about the lore? Splendid Dust asked what they had lied about/were wrong about and I gave the list. If they are wrong or lying about multiple things, both with the story and with stuff like the multiplayer, how can anything they say be trusted? [quote]*shakes head laughing* anyone who kept with the hype train knows that 343 was unequivocally stating that they would make massive changes to the halo formula. in addition to another page (which seems to have dropped off the face of the planet) where frankie said that halo 4's multiplayer changes would come under more criticism than reach's, you have this link where frankie states upfront that halo 4 was going to be "radically different." also: -game removed bloom -heightened movement speed -raised jump height -brought back the br -brought back more symmetrical maps while i'm obviously not saying that halo 4's multiplayer is classic halo by any means, i'm saying that they did bring certain aspects of it back to the way they were in the original trilogy. they never said "multiplayer will literally be halo combat evolved reincarnated." the closest thing they've said to that was at the end of "return of the forerunners" and even then it was regarding the actual game. and even then they stated, again, that they would change things. and all this is absolutely comical if we take a gander at the goddamn "making infinity multiplayer" vidoc...[/quote] Did you read the whole thing? Carefully? They said nothing about completely and totally changing much of the game, they said there would be radical changes, [i]and[/i] "classic" multiplayer in the context of it all being there when the game released....anything remotely resembling the actual old way things played came [i]months[/i] later after the game released and people had to put up with all of the radical changes until then. Completely removing all weapon pick-ups from the map, excepting Power Weapons, across nearly all gametypes and having to rely on nothing but your spawn weapons or Ordinance Drops (where relevant) is nothing like the previous games. And then add on to that kill-tims that are obscenely short and boil down to whoever got the first shots off and saw the other guy first is the winner....and whatever else I'm missing. 343i broke a lot of promises or just contradicted themselves between what they said Halo 4 would be like, and what actually occurred. [quote]66% irrelevant, 33% wrong, 1% right. excellent, but unsurprising.[/quote] None of this is in any way irrelevant as Splendid Dust was asking me what I was talking about when I said that 343i lied and/or contradicted themselves. Our discussion didn't have anything to do with the lore to begin with so none of this is in any way irrelevant to answering his question. And if they can't be trusted when it comes to one thing, why should they be trusted in other areas, especially when those are already areas where they've contradicted themselves at least once?
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Edited by kgj: 1/15/2014 10:27:16 PM[quote]There isn't any explanation for or about them in SpOps anymore than there is in the campaign, to learn just where the hell Jul came from or how he even got any kind of force together one has to turn to the books for explanation.[/quote] i said "sort of." the covenant we face are given a clear motive in spartan ops. [quote]The game does not explain enough about any of its relevant plot material all on its own, all of it relies too heavily on the books and in Lasky's case on Forward Unto Dawn.[/quote] yes, it does. [quote]What 343i said, and what the game actually does completely contradict each other, one can't just play the game to understand what's going on, hence the many people all over the forums both on here and Waypoint asking about what's going on or for explanations....because none of them knew what happened in the peripheral materials.[/quote] yes, they can. the librarian exposition, didact intro, and quips during shutdown tell you everything you need to know. [quote]Who said it had to be about the lore? Splendid Dust asked what they had lied about/were wrong about and I gave the list. If they are wrong or lying about multiple things, both with the story and with stuff like the multiplayer, how can anything they say be trusted?[/quote] A) the story had a grand total of... [i]one[/i] element it didn't fully explain. everything else they said about the game's story in pre-launch was fulfilled. in addition, their marketing wasn't wrong. at all. B) the thread is about the lore. [quote]Did you read the whole thing? Carefully? They said nothing about completely and totally changing much of the game, they said there would be radical changes, and "classic" multiplayer in the context of it all being there when the game released....anything remotely resembling the actual old way things played came months later after the game released and people had to put up with all of the radical changes until then.[/quote] A) do you understand that "radically" means? B) where the hell did they say that? all they said was that "you can just go and find the exact same thing that you are addicted to doing." they never mentioned classic halo. [quote]Completely removing all weapon pick-ups from the map, excepting Power Weapons, across nearly all gametypes and having to rely on nothing but your spawn weapons or Ordinance Drops (where relevant) is nothing like the previous games. And then add on to that kill-tims that are obscenely short and boil down to whoever got the first shots off and saw the other guy first is the winner....and whatever else I'm missing. 343i broke a lot of promises or just contradicted themselves between what they said Halo 4 would be like, and what actually occurred.[/quote] so just ignore the infinity multiplayer vidoc, where they state [i]every single change they made?[/i] "kill-times that are obscenely short" [url=http://halo.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=55719680&postRepeater1-p=1]i hate it when people use this as some kind of offensive against halo 4. before halo 4, ce and 2's killtimes were [i]by far[/i] the fastest and the community would often make threads complaining about reach's slower pace as compared to them (and even halo 3). then halo 4 comes along and delivers the second fastest killtimes in the series (oh, and this is all post tu, at launch they were even longer than 3's and even reach's) and "omg is not halo anymore."[/url] "343i broke a lot of promises or just contradicted themselves between what they said Halo 4 would be like, and what actually occurred." no, they didn't. they went [i]in depth[/i] about every change they made and every upgrade they had. [quote]None of this is in any way irrelevant as Splendid Dust was asking me what I was talking about when I said that 343i lied and/or contradicted themselves. Our discussion didn't have anything to do with the lore to begin with so none of this is in any way irrelevant to answering his question.[/quote] relevant to the overall thread is what i meant. though i did miss that, and i apologize. however, 343 still didn't lie to us about anything outside of the marketing of dlc. [quote]And if they can't be trusted when it comes to one thing, why should they be trusted in other areas, especially when those are already areas where they've contradicted themselves at least once?[/quote] i don't know. the same way we trusted bungie after their bullsh1t with halo 3 and reach's marketing.
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They said some of the digital content would be exclusive for LE owners then they sold it. They nickle and dimed Halo 4 to death.
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[quote]posted by: sken i'll take this lore/narrative based thread and turn it into a multiplayer/gameplay thread![/quote]
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[quote]Considering everything else they've said that's proved untrue or been outright lies,[/quote] lol.
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Glad you found something to amuse you. If all you're going to say though is "lol", why even bother posting a response? >_>
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sharing is caring
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What about the inverse? Caring is sharing?
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*shrug* why do you ask?
