[quote]gods were apparitions of observation -- reward, punishment. even the secular individual desires judgment; without that desire, group cohesion is impossible, as is civilization. humans created civilization to satisfy their need to be integrated into higher echelons of structure and meaning. they build their gods with their own hands; idols, once abstract fantasies and exaggerated legends, to be rendered corporeal by the light of the new day.[/quote]
If God is merely an "observation," explain the idea that God is perfect, omnipotent, etc. These traits do not exist in nature, they cannot be observed.
If God is merely an invention to promote cohesion, explain communism. Communism is atheistic by nature, yet the idea of a fully integrated society reigns supreme.
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[quote]If God is merely an "observation,"[/quote]you misunderstand. the deities themselves are the observers of humans that watch, judge, and sentence us. [quote] explain the idea that God is perfect, omnipotent[/quote]because we want to be judged; an all-knowing, all-good being would be capable of doing that more than any other. [quote]If God is merely an invention to promote cohesion, explain communism. Communism is atheistic by nature, yet the idea of a fully integrated society reigns supreme.[/quote]i don't see a point here. god being a manifestation of human desires for judgment does not mean that secular manifestations of those desires can't exist. i honestly can't see what argument you're trying to make.
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[quote][quote]If God is merely an "observation,"[/quote]you misunderstand. the deities themselves are the observers of humans that watch, judge, and sentence us. [quote] explain the idea that God is perfect, omnipotent[/quote]because we want to be judged; an all-knowing, all-good being would be capable of doing that more than any other. [quote]If God is merely an invention to promote cohesion, explain communism. Communism is atheistic by nature, yet the idea of a fully integrated society reigns supreme.[/quote]i don't see a point here. god being a manifestation of human desires for judgment does not mean that secular manifestations of those desires can't exist. i honestly can't see what argument you're trying to make.[/quote] Sorry, I don't follow... You've sliced and diced my argument and have responded in a way that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. What are you trying to get at?
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Sorry I win, but it seems that you lose this one
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[quote]Sorry I win, but it seems that you lose this one[/quote] It's incoherent babble. There's nothing to "lose" to.