This is absolutely great.

[quote] Disagreed. IMO, the best choice for the JL movie would be to have Superman and Batman team up in the beginning. As DC's films are usually much more serious than Marvel's, and usually send a deeper "message," I think the best course of action for the Justice League movie to work is to outline the differences between each group and have them work together. In Man of Steel 2, I want to see the first hint of the conflicting ideologies working in tandem to make a better whole. Batman and Superman are about as opposite from each other as they can get, and starting the "message" off with having them team up is the natural thing to do IMO.[/quote] While I agree, a "Batman/Superman" team-up is what WB and DC need to push them in the lead, against Marvel (who is, let's be honest, currently winning the CBM race. As much as I would love to see DC win), I don't see them going the direction you proposed. I see them pulling the Robert Downey Jr./Iron Man route, attempting to make the most money. I how [i]to god[/i] I'm wrong. [quote]Think about it this way. The two most revered members of the future JL meet up. They're yin and yang. Superman, right now, believes he is alone in the superpowered world. After he eliminated Zod (who, ironically, was broadcasting the message "YOU ARE NOT ALONE"), he doesn't have any reason to believe that there's anyone else like him, so he's going to go around helping because he believes he's the only one who can. Essentially, he's a young man who wants to do good by fighting for justice. Then you have Batman. He's an older, grizzled, veteran Batman. He's had experience fighting crime, and he's got years and years of combat under his belt. I'm almost certain he'll see Superman as a naive threat to the world- someone this powerful can't remain incorruptible, especially with the damage he caused, right? Of course he's going to have a reason to take out Superman- he does good by fighting against corruption.[/quote] You have my attention... [quote]So I imagine Batman will initially beat Superman. Through this, Superman will learn that he's not exactly the only one powerful enough to help- even an ordinary man can fight as well. He'll finally be able to understand the power of subtlety and calculating logic, and how useful a skill that is- perhaps even lament about how he could have saved so many more by doing so.[/quote] Yes. If they can address this in the movie, that'll put the "destruction that MoS1 caused" argument to rest. [quote]I believe Superman will then break out of whatever Batman has planned for him, fight Bats some more, and ultimately win. Then it's Batman's time to learn. I want Batman to realize that Superman is actually the real deal- he's truly working for good, and is legitimately incorruptible. But more importantly, I want Batman to realize how [i]Superman[/i] fights, and that's through his emotions, and how much he loves humanity. I want Batman to realize that Superman's method of fighting, his dedication to his people, and his willingness to fight [i]for[/i] good instead of fighting [i]against[/i] bad is what makes him so brilliant.[/quote] [quote]Fight for good, instead of against evil.[/quote] I'm getting that tattooed on my back or something... Awesome. OT: While I would love to see this occur, I remain skeptical simply because of the Batman cash-cow. That is mainly where my skepticism lies; not respecting Kal's power and legacy in favour of the popularity of Batman. [quote]And then, in the final battle against whatever Lex or Brainiac or Metallo or whatnot comes up with, both will work together, bringing about the antithesis to Man of Steel's final battle- one where the two working together minimizes collateral damage, or at least evacuates the city before causing such damages. And at the end, we have the two founding members of the Justice League, yin and yang, realizing that their conflicting ideals are what made them work so well together, and they set off to create the Justice League.[/quote] I don't know how they could even pull that off, though. I mean, you have Bats, a martial arts master and genius, and Kal, a super-powered, gravity-defying god-tier hero who tends to cause quite a bit of destruction. In short, Batman can kick ass in a smaller area, while Kal needs room to utilize his powers to their fullest extent. [quote]So in short, Batman bringing reality to Superman and vice versa would be the best choice for Batman vs. Superman, IMO.[/quote] Unfortunately, I'm still under the impression that WB has $$ signs in their eyes with Batman. [quote]Replace him with someone like Grant Morrison or Mark Waid and you've got yourself a goddamn deal. That would be amazing.[/quote] Mind refreshing my memory on what work they've done? [quote]Personally, I believe Man of Steel's soundtrack was at its best when it was doing the ambient, sci fi tracks. Zimmer is great at developing those and working them around, but when it comes to orchestra I believe he falls apart.[/quote] I really enjoyed songs like "Flight", which captured Superman's strength and meaning, while I also enjoyed songs like "Goodbye, my son" which brought you close to tears. [quote]But still, I loved Man of Steel's soundtrack. Even though most critics didn't.[/quote] Agreed. I just bought the "good" edition, I just sat in my room for an hour and a half listening to it. [i]Awesome.[/i] [quote]Luthor, definitely. Brainiac? With Batman AND Luthor? I disagree. It'd be ridiculous to pull off. I believe Metallo would be a better choice.[/quote] I just [i]really[/i] want to see Brainiac in a movie, and I want Doomsday in the following movie to MoS2. [quote]Agreed, but I want Frank Miller to take his sh1t and GTFO.[/quote] I don't know. While I agree, Batman and Superman in that comic were laughable in comparison, but I still enjoyed it. Don't get me wrong, I was pissed when I heard them quote"I want you to remember my hand at your throat" bullshit at comic-con. But I still enjoyed the comic simply because it was Batman and Superman. [quote]Yep. It's definitely not the TDK Batman we're getting. Though I'd love for Affleck to take cues from Bale...[/quote] I just hope that Affleck doesn't -blam!- the movie up. I'm actually a lot more optimistic about this than most, as you can see from the picture in my OP. He could pull it off. [quote]A) Justin Bieber is confirmed not Robin. B) Agreed completely.[/quote] A) Thank God. B) Thank God. [quote]I don't want them to suck on Batman's d1ck like they did in TAS, or go full retard Frank Miller style, but I'd like to see Batman beat Superman for reasons listed above.[/quote] I'd be happy with that too, as long as they don't go the route I stated above. Ultimately, I think you should help write the movie.

[quote]OT: While I would love to see this occur, I remain skeptical simply because of the Batman cash-cow. That is mainly where my skepticism lies; not respecting Kal's power and legacy in favour of the popularity of Batman.[/quote] David Goyer has been showing impartiality towards Superman and Batman, saying he won't conform to what the general populace wants unless he wants to. In the same video he says it makes no sense for Batman to beat Superman as well so... [quote]I don't know how they could even pull that off, though. I mean, you have Bats, a martial arts master and genius, and Kal, a super-powered, gravity-defying god-tier hero who tends to cause quite a bit of destruction. [/quote] Exosuit a la Dark Knight Returns, but put a new spin on it. Have Bats use salvaged World Engine tech to recreate the weird tentacle things that Superman fought. That will both make Bats more devastating to Kryptonian forces (it'll somewhat make them weaker in close proximity), and it'll maintain consistency. [quote]Mind refreshing my memory on what work they've done?[/quote] All Star Superman, Kingdom Come (which is just the definition of bada$$), basically some of the best Superman comics ever created. Unfortunately it seems Waid despises Man of Steel, but Morrison is rather positive- saying that the darker tone may have been necessary. [quote]I really enjoyed songs like "Flight", which captured Superman's strength and meaning, while I also enjoyed songs like "Goodbye, my son" which brought you close to tears.[/quote] And the main theme. The main theme is my favorite track that Zimmer has produced so far. [quote]I don't know. While I agree, Batman and Superman in that comic were laughable in comparison, but I still enjoyed it. Don't get me wrong, I was pissed when I heard them quote"I want you to remember my hand at your throat" bullshit at comic-con. But I still enjoyed the comic simply because it was Batman and Superman. [/quote] It's not that, it's just the guy seems to get more and more bigoted every day I see him. [url=http://io9.com/5969808/a-childs-treasury-of-horrible-frank-miller-comic-panels]He hates Superman, women, some religions, and possesses no sh1tting clue what he's doing with Batman either.[/url] [quote]Ultimately, I think you should help write the movie.[/quote] I don't think so, I'd probably cave in from all the pressure.

[quote] David Goyer has been showing impartiality towards Superman and Batman, saying he won't conform to what the general populace wants unless he wants to. In the same video he says it makes no sense for Batman to beat Superman as well so...[/quote] Good. That's a very good sign. [quote]Exosuit a la Dark Knight Returns, but put a new spin on it. Have Bats use salvaged World Engine tech to recreate the weird tentacle things that Superman fought. That will both make Bats more devastating to Kryptonian forces (it'll somewhat make them weaker in close proximity), and it'll maintain consistency.[/quote] We'll see, although we would most likely need to see some of his raw, basic combat suit we're used to. It wouldn't be the same if he was always wearing that exosuit around Kal. [quote]And the main theme. The main theme is my favorite track that Zimmer has produced so far.[/quote] Of course, but that goes without saying. [quote] It's not that, it's just the guy seems to get more and more bigoted every day I see him. [url=http://io9.com/5969808/a-childs-treasury-of-horrible-frank-miller-comic-panels]He hates Superman, women, some religions, and possesses no sh1tting clue what he's doing with Batman either.[/url] He isn't actually involved in the movie, is he? [quote]I don't think so, I'd probably cave in from all the pressure.[/quote] Maybe, but if they could harness that inner-awesome, something magical would happen.

[quote]We'll see, although we would most likely need to see some of his raw, basic combat suit we're used to. It wouldn't be the same if he was always wearing that exosuit around Kal. [/quote] Oh most definitely, I just mean in the final battle or something. [quote]He isn't actually involved in the movie, is he? [/quote] He might be, apparently he was brought in to advise some stuff. Hopefully Goyer maintains his sanity... [quote]Maybe, but if they could harness that inner-awesome, something magical would happen.[/quote] <3

[quote]He might be, apparently he was brought in to advise some stuff. Hopefully Goyer maintains his sanity...[/quote] Oh, god. This doesn't help my stance on the situation. By the way, do you know if Alfred will be played by Michael Cane? (Kane?) He was awesome IMO. I legitimately shed tears when I witness the scene where he tells Bruce about the Rachel letter, or when he's standing over the tombstones, crying. [quote]I failed you. You trusted me, and I failed you. [/quote] [quote]<3[/quote] You know I'm your biggest fan, right? You give me an ideal to strive towards.

[quote]Oh, god. This doesn't help my stance on the situation.[/quote] Doesn't look too good for mine either, but I hope Snyder and Goyer don't conform. [quote]By the way, do you know if Alfred will be played by Michael Cane? (Kane?) He was awesome IMO. I legitimately shed tears when I witness the scene where he tells Bruce about the Rachel letter, or when he's standing over the tombstones, crying. [/quote] Oh yeah I can't see Alfred without Michael (Caine). They'll need to pull some magic out of their hats to replace him. [quote]You know I'm your biggest fan, right? You give me an ideal to strive towards.[/quote] <3 <3

Do they even have to replace Caine? Can't they just keep him on?

I think they're attempting to distance themselves from the Dark Knight trilogy as much as possible, so no.

Ugh, that sucks. He was great at it, too.