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9/18/2013 12:30:54 PM
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Meanwhile, they were the ones who brought Time-Lock technology into the universe.
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And they were also the ones who had us "kill" the Didact using a QTE. Just because they add the possibility doesn't mean that they're smart enough to use it.
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Your logic is full of fallacy. What does a QTE have anything to do with Time Lock technology? 343i has already shown their ability to use technology in the universe. They used technology they created to explain and tie up 11 year old loose ends. The fact that they used a QTE to defeat the Didact shows they have the utmost care of the story. The Didact has 10,000 years of military experience and training. His armor is bristling with defenses and weapons. Even if they found a way to disable his suit's combat efficiency, do you really think Chief would stand a chance? The Didact swatted at the Chief and he flew back ten feet. That's 1,000 pounds flying back 10 feet just from being swatted at. Lastly, stop looking at QTE's as gimmicks. 343i had a very clear purpose for adding them to the game. They wanted the player to experience Chief's raw agility and strength as the player because you can't do those feats in normal gameplay.
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Right. Using a QTE to defeat the most powerful foe he's ever fought, an entity that the Covenant have spent thousands of years searching for and trying to become. And they immediately place him as the end boss in the first game. And they use a QTE to defeat him. Yeah, that's care. You're right. My bad. What they should have done was saved the Didact fight for a later game, maybe.... I dunno.... incorporate some of that Time-Lock technology you're so fond of. Lock him away for another 100,000 years. But nah. We get a grenade and a QTE.
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Do you honestly think Chief would live 100,000 years? Do you honestly think the Didact is gone, that it was the last time we'll see him? The QTE was very well implemented. The Librarian's modifications of Cortana opened up a ten second window to defeat the Didact. I'd rather it be a QTE then walking up to him and meleeing him over the edge because he can't move. If we were to actually fight him, you'd see more lore fans upset. Sure a fight would work from a gameplay POV, but when you have Chief, with less than 40 years of training and experience with a Class 2 combat skin versus the Didact, with over 1,000 years of military experience and training with a Class 18 combat skin, it does not line up at all. I'm failing to understand how a gameplay decision that makes perfect sense with the canon is being demonized by you because you claim the gameplay decision somehow shows their inability to properly use the lore. Finally, using Sandtrap's proposition against the Flood would be a massive waste of resources and energy. Time-Lock technology has only been shown to work in an enclosed cage of sorts. For all we know, it wouldn't work if used linearly. Then, you have to consider than speeding up time a couple million years in a certain location just to kill the Flood would be a massive waste of resources when using ionized anti matter particles to rip the Flood apart, atom by atom, would be a lot more effective than using a time lock weapon.
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[quote]Do you honestly think Chief would live 100,000 years? [/quote] What? [quote]Do you honestly think the Didact is gone, that it was the last time we'll see him?[/quote] Has 343i directly stated anything that should make me believe otherwise? [quote]If we were to actually fight him, you'd see more lore fans upset. Sure a fight would work from a gameplay POV, but when you have Chief, with less than 40 years of training and experience with a Class 2 combat skin versus the Didact, with over 1,000 years of military experience and training with a Class 18 combat skin, it does not line up at all. I'm failing to understand how a gameplay decision that makes perfect sense with the canon is being demonized by you because you claim the gameplay decision somehow shows their inability to properly use the lore.[/quote] What I'm saying is that the Didact should have been reserved as the final antagonist. In a final game, you can pull out all the stops. You don't need to worry about continuation. You can bring out all the big shit, so to speak. Instead, we knocked him out early to either A.) Replace him with some other bullshit cookie cutter antagonist that we've seen in a billion other games, or B.) He's not really dead and he'll say "Ahaha, I'm not dead! Fools." which honestly isn't that unique either. Bad storytelling on 343's part. Not a bad story, but bad storytelling.
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Edited by Mr Admirals7044: 9/19/2013 7:04:44 PM[quote]What?[/quote]You said the Didact fight should have been saved for another game by him being locked away for 100,000 Years. [quote]Has 343i directly stated anything that should make me believe otherwise?[/quote]1. First Living Forerunner 2. He is Chief's first true nemesis 3. He is more than capable of surviving a Slipspace conduit in his armor 4. The Halo 4 visual guide hints at his possible return 5. Common trilogy formula dictates the main antagonist will not die in the first installment 6. He gives a speech after his defeat [quote]What I'm saying is that the Didact should have been reserved as the final antagonist.[/quote]Is his character not allowed to develop over the trilogy/saga? [quote] In a final game, you can pull out all the stops.[/quote]They still can pull out all the stops. [quote] You don't need to worry about continuation.[/quote]In an ever expanding universe like Star Wars or Halo, you always need to worry about continuation. [quote] Instead, we knocked him out early[/quote]Why is the antagonist not allowed to be defeated? With that logic, you should be saying the same with with Star Wars Episode IV since Darth Vader was defeated at the end of that movie. [quote] A.) Replace him with some other bullshit cookie cutter antagonist[/quote]Which they won't do because the Didact was designed to be Chief's nemesis. You are also severely misinformed if you think he's a cookie cutter antagonist. [quote]B.) He's not really dead and he'll say "Ahaha, I'm not dead! Fools." which honestly isn't that unique either.[/quote]So basically, you're trying to argue that the Didact shouldn't return and that will show 343i's terribleness? I fail to see how it isn't unique. I'm rather interested on where he went because the Slipspace conduit he fell into was linked to Requiem. Then, you also need to take into account what he said at the end of the epilogue. It shows he has undergone a significant prioritization of how and what he's going to do. [quote]Bad storytelling on 343's part. Not a bad story, but bad storytelling.[/quote]It's not bad storytelling. Your shortsightedness and inability to grasp the confines of Halo's plot is forcing you to critically judge Halo 4's story incorrectly.
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I'm not gonna go through all the quote bullshit. 1. You seemed to really like the "time-lock" technology. Reserve that and the Didact for the final game. Lock him away for 100,000 years or reverse time and dis-create him or whatever the -blam!- it does. 2. It's never stated whether that speech was made after the Librarian betrayed him or after Chief defeated him. 3. Sure he is. Why do we need to kill him in the first game though? He's the main antagonist. He should be developed over the course of the series and then defeated at the final battle. 4. So why didn't we use this magical "time-lock" technology in Halo 4? Oh, we don't have it yet? Yeah. You normally don't have everything you need to roll over your enemy in the first game. You build it over the course of the series and unleash everything at the end. 5. So far as we know, Halo 6 is going to be the last main Halo title. Game canon is superior to book canon. If it's your last main Halo game story title, you don't need to worry too much about continuation. You can take all the paths you've built up to now and let them run their course. Books paths will work their way from there. 6. Why does the first antagonist you encounter need to be the main bad antagonist? Why didn't 343 build up the Didact over the course of the Forerunner trilogy? 7. Are you saying the Didact is somehow unique as an antagonist, or a character? Ancient alien threat to humanity awakens to crush humanity because we are somehow viewed as a threat or a pest in the way of some greater scheme. *yawn* Been there, done that. 8. You have to admit that it would be cliche. As I said earlier, Halo 4 doesn't have a bad story. I just believe 343i had the capabilities to tell it better than they did. If the Didact does come back, it had better be a stellar, absolutely mind-blowing reason. 9. Not bad storytelling? Hiding almost the entire backstory to Halo 4's plot on a website and not in the game is awesome storytelling? It's like ripping out half a book, and selling the other half. And I understand the plot just fine, thank you very much. The Didact is either dead or not dead. If he's not dead, he's gonna return. Which is a terrible cliche and just bad writing that it's cringe worthy unless the can come up with a great reason. If he is dead, he's going to be replaced by someone who wants to "hunt all life in the galaxy." Gee. Where have we heard that before? Stop being a blind fanboy and admit that 343i made a mistake in the way they were unfolding their story.
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1. That was the initial topic of our discussion. You brought it up. 2. The context of the speech makes it clear, it's after his defeat. [quote][b]In this hour of victory[/b], we taste only defeat. I ask, why? We are Forerunners, guardians of all that exists. The roots of the galaxy have grown deep under our careful tending. Where there is life, the wisdom of our countless generations has saturated the soil. Our strength is a luminous sun, towards which all intelligence blossoms... And the impervious shelter beneath which it has prospered. I stand before you, accused of the sin of ensuring Forerunner ascendancy.[b] Of attempting to save us from this fate where we are forced to... recede. Humanity stands as the greatest threat in the galaxy. Refusing to eradicate them is a fool's gambit. We squander eons in the darkness, while they seize our triumphs for their own.[/b] The Mantle of responsibility for all things belongs to Forerunners alone. Think of my acts as you will. But do not doubt the reality:[b] the Reclamation... has already begun. And we are hopeless to stop it.[/b]"[/quote] 3. For the last time, he's not dead. Here is the excerpt from the Halo 4 Visual Guide: [quote]With the bristling of civil unrest, the fomenting of another Covenant, and the possibility of the Didact's survival, Earth's future hand precariously in the balance.[/quote] I find it interesting you are so adamant about him being dead, yet go ahead and say bringing him back would be uninteresting. 4. Not because we don't have it, but because the technology is extremely advanced and extremely rare. In addition, it is presumed to have been based on Precursor tech, meaning the likelihood of it being in working condition after the Halo Array was fired is almost at zero. 5. Game canon was superior with Bungie. 343i's emphasis on the importance of the EU canon sets a pretty clear boundry that both are equally canon when they coexist. Especially since the plot threads of both the games and books are constantly weaving in and out of each other under 343i's direction. 6. Because 343i made a personal emphasis on Chief becoming autonomous and human again. In the past, he was ordered to kill the prophets. He was ordered to destroy this and attack that. Having the Didact as his main antagonist in the first game escalates things to the point where Chief actually makes the conscientious choice to go after the Didact on his own free will. The only other enemy available would have been Jul 'Mdama. That'd have been terrible. In nearly every piece of Halo Lore, the Covenant are made out to be the macguffin to the Forerunner legacy and the Flood. 7. Actually yes, I am. I initially did not say that, but I will say he is unique. His return from his defeat is what I was saying is unique. Now, you'd obviously disagree with me about him being unique because you seem like the person that doesn't delve very far into Halo's lore. 8. I'm having trouble understanding you. You are so adamant about him being dead, and then go on to say him coming back wouldn't be surprising. Personally for me, It doesn't need to be surprising because I knew he lived as soon as he fell off the Hardlight bridge. 9. What website are you referring to? Everyone always says it's the books, but this is a first. You are extremely out of the loop. The description of hunting life in the galaxy was confirmed to be a young employees mistake. Your condemnation of cliches in Halo is extremely irritating as every Halo game is based off of cliches. If you go back to reviews of Halo CE, you'll see the reviewers talking about how the game is full of cliches.
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Edited by Atomic Tea: 9/20/2013 1:21:42 AM[quote]8. I'm having trouble understanding you. You are so adamant about him being dead, and then go on to say him coming back wouldn't be surprising. Personally for me, It doesn't need to be surprising because I knew he lived as soon as he fell off the Hardlight bridge. 9. What website are you referring to? Everyone always says it's the books, but this is a first.[/quote] There is literally NO evidence of his survival. None. Zero. That speech after the credits? Who said anything about that being after his defeat by Chief? Humanity was still the enemy of the Didact at the time the Librarian betrayed him. "In this hour of victory, we taste only defeat." His possible thoughts on the Halo array. A victory for every living creature. A defeat for him. Why? Humanity would eventually live again to challenge the Forerunners. Or it could be his final thoughts before being obliterated by a Havok nuke. If the Composer was destroyed by a Havok nuke, why can't the Didact be dead? Why is there a possibility of him being alive? I'm not "adamant" on him being dead. I only refuse to believe he's alive based on "possibilities" and "maybes" and "Perhaps." Unless a Halo 5 trailer comes out and features the Didact or 343i outright says "Yeah, the Didact is returning in Halo 5." then he's dead. Why is he dead? Because there is no solid evidence to prove he's alive.
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Edited by Mr Admirals7044: 9/20/2013 2:56:32 AM[quote]There is literally NO evidence of his survival. None. Zero. That speech after the credits? Who said anything about that being after his defeat by Chief? Humanity was still the enemy of the Didact at the time the Librarian betrayed him.[/quote]Since you seem to not wish to look a centimeter below face value, I explain it to you. "In this hour of victory, we taste only defeat. I ask, why?" - The Didact certainly did not consider the firing of the Halo Array a victory as that was the whole purpose of why he created the Prometheans. Nor did he consider the composition of Humanity a victory as his final goal was to use them to halt the firing of the Halos and stop the Flood, which never happened. At the end of Halo 4, the Didact achieves his goal of Composing Earth, but is then quickly defeated. "Humanity stands as the greatest threat in the galaxy." - We certainly were not the greatest threat when the Didact was imprisoned because he had nearly composed all of us, and we were only paleolithic Humans at the time. No space technology. Right now, we're running the show with our acquisition of Forerunner technologies and Infinity. "We squander eons in the darkness, while they seize our triumphs for their own." - When he says we squander eons in the darkness, he's referring to the regression of Forerunners. We were certainly not taking their triumphs for their own when we were living in nomadic tribes and controlling mechanical Prometheans while Forerunners were still combating the Flood. "Think of my acts as you will. But do not doubt the reality:" - This line is pretty obvious he's talking to an intelligent being, presumably another Forerunner or Ancilla. That is something he could not do inside a Combat Cryptum. Especially since the Domain was destroyed by the firing of the Halo Array. "the Reclamation... has already begun. And we are hopeless to stop it." - The reclamation certainly had not begun after the firing of the Halo Array as we weren't advanced enough to reclaim their technologies. Now, even if he's being metaphorical about, "Oh I'm locked in the Cryptum so I can't stop them", it wouldn't make sense at all. He says, "And we are hopeless to stop it." Why would he say that and then just get out of his Cryptum and be like, "lolno." It's not in his character. If he was incorrect, he'd directly address his mistake and then correct himself. Something he didn't do. So, he says we are hopeless to stop it because he had failed his assault on Earth, not because he didn't stop the Flood. [quote]"In this hour of victory, we taste only defeat." His possible thoughts on the Halo array. A victory for every living creature. A defeat for him.[/quote]You don't understand the Didact. He fought tooth and nail against the creation and firing of the Halo Array so hard, that there was a high chance he was going to be executed for his political attacks. To fire the Halo Array is to break the Mantle, something the Didact upheld with the highest regard. It would be in no way shape or form a victory for him. In addition, by the time he was locked in the Combat Cryptum, his views of the Mantle were so disgustingly distorted by the Gravemind that he actually wanted to compose or kill off species that he deemed threatening of Forerunner dominance, which he saw as the Mantle itself. [quote]If the Composer was destroyed by a Havok nuke, why can't the Didact be dead? Why is there a possibility of him being alive?[/quote]Because he fell into a Slipspace conduit. That big orange swirling mass of a pit he fell into was Slipspace. Cortana even mentions this before the confrontation. "Slipspace event building under the Composer!" [quote]I'm not "adamant" on him being dead.[/quote]Would you care if I used a synonym for adamant? I think stubborn would be an acceptable word for you and it would still convey what I want to you. [quote]I only refuse to believe he's alive based on "possibilities" and "maybes" and "Perhaps."[/quote]No, these are not possibilities, these are facts. In addition to those facts are other evidence that supports his survival greatly [quote]Unless a Halo 5 trailer comes out and features the Didact or 343i outright says "Yeah, the Didact is returning in Halo 5." then he's dead. Why is he dead? Because there is no solid evidence to prove he's alive.[/quote]Except there is. There's a great deal of solid evidence to prove he's alive.
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