That's why I said go by MY defs. Not the idiot republicans you see on the news... The Conservative term was used to highlight Founding Father ideology.

Except your definitions are wrong and the founding fathers weren't conservative or even that great.

I never said they were great. I just stated what they believed. And I just stated what Obama believes. The founders were liberals btw. The reason why our founders ideology is considered conservative in today's age, is bc conservatives want to [i]conserve[/i] the principles that made this country prosperous.

But Obama isn't liberal. And the only amendment that conservatives haven't taken a dump on is the second and seem to think all the other ones should only apply to them and not everyone else.

Conservatives and Republicans aren't the same thing bro... True conservatives are tea partiers and libertarians, not the neo-con hack warmongering fgt politicians you're referring to. And the left has shitted on every amendment, including the 2nd amndmnt btw... How is Obama not considered a liberal today? If he's not a libtard what is he?

[quote]Conservatives and Republicans aren't the same thing bro...[/quote]Republicans are a large group of conservatives. [quote]True conservatives are tea partiers and libertarians, not the neo-con hack warmongering fgt politicians you're referring to.[/quote]They're conservatives too. I don't like them either since the Tea Party has done terrible things to our government and are a bunch of xenophobic, gun toting, anti abortion nutjobs. And I don't Libertarians because they want to do too little in their positions. [quote]And the left has shitted on every amendment, including the 2nd amndmnt btw... [/quote]Democrats have, which does have a liberals, and name the amendments and prominent liberal politicians have sh*tted on. They're not calling for Muslims to be arrested simply for being Muslim like conservatives are. They're calling for more regulations on guns and background checks, which more than half the country is for, but only a few on the far left actually think they should be banned completely. I don't think they should be banned, I think they should be more regulated so we have less mass shootings and less crazy people getting a hold of them. [quote]How is Obama not considered a liberal today? If he's not a libtard what is he?[/quote]Conservative. This is simply going by what he's done. He's silenced more reporters, used drones more often than Bush, passed Obamacare(a conservative healthcare plan the conservatives were ironically against), and like conservatives before him did nothing to bring those who were responsible for our financial crisis to justice. He's not Republican level right but he's on the right.