But in most people's eyes if gun control laws where lax the smuggling would be a non issue, it's difficult to stop smuggling.

So punish the masses because of a few bad apples? That doesn't seem very smart to me?

Your punishing no one and banning guns actually helps in the long run, less people are killed. How is that a punishment?

Because I enjoy shooting guns and don't feel it's right for me to have restricted guns or have to jump through hoops to gain access to them. That's a punishment. Also, tell me again how Prohibition stopped alcohol from being available and how that helped in the long run because less people drank?

Alcohol is vastly different to Guns and is not comparable. Alcohol is good for your health if not abused and can help people socialize, while it's arguable shooting up a shop with your homies is a sociable activity it's not good for anybodies health. If you own a gun, your sole intention is to use it, either against a human being or something else. You wish you don't have to, however if you don't want to shoot somebody don't own a gun, simple really. Also like I said gun control laws make it harder for criminals to get access to weapons causing less gun crime and murders. It's common sense, but since it's written on a 300 year old piece of paper common sense goes out the bloody window. "It's to protect us from a government you say?" Well either your military sides with the Government and the civilians get slaughtered, or the military sides with the people rendering your guns useless anyway.

Your logic is terrible. Also, you didn't tell me how Prohibition stopped alcohol from being available. [quote] If you own a gun, your sole intention is to use it, either against a human being or something else. You wish you don't have to, however if you don't want to shoot somebody don't own a gun, simple really. [/quote] Why the hell would I buy a gun if I didn't want to shoot it? I own three guns and I don't want to shoot anybody. Nor do I ever have the intention of ever shooting anyone. I own a gun to shoot at a target. Just like your retarded alcohol argument shooting is a very social and enjoyable activity. [quote] Also like I said gun control laws make it harder for criminals to get access to weapons causing less gun crime and murders. [/quote] If anything, your article disputes that. The people of NYC got guns, illegally. Yes, they got them in America. However, let's say they enact NYC's gun control in all of America. There's still Mexico, which happens to get about $30 billion worth of illegal drugs across the border. Do you really believe they can't get guns in? Just like in Prohibition, if there is a demand someone will be there with a supply. Stricter gun control isn't the end all, be all solution.

Never said it was the end all solution because somebody is always supplying and somebody is always buying. the difference is the numbers of people buying is vastly lower than what it otherwise would be. also who said anything about banning guns completely? It's called gun CONTROL for a reason, the UK has strict gun laws and you can only own one if you have a bloody good reason like a farmer protecting his land. You can also be part of shooting teams and get a license for it. Your talking about a complete ban of fire arms and using Alcohol prohibition as an example of how it would fail. 90% of American's drink alcohol, 25% of Americans own a fire arm, you tell me while prohibition failed, because you quite literally took away a substance everybody used. If you made sure no cocaine made it into the country very few people would give a crap yet your saying it would fail because people want it.

[quote] 90% of American's drink alcohol, 25% of Americans own a fire arm, you tell me while prohibition failed, because you quite literally took away a substance everybody used. [/quote] Please show me stats on this. This is just laughable. [quote]If you made sure no cocaine made it into the country very few people would give a crap yet your saying it would fail because people want it.[/quote] What? [quote]You can also be part of shooting teams and get a license for it. Your talking about a complete ban of fire arms and using Alcohol prohibition as an example of how it would fail. [/quote] What? You're saying I'm only allowed to have a gun if I'm part of a team. That makes perfect sense... [quote] the difference is the numbers of people buying is vastly lower than what it otherwise would be. also who said anything about banning guns completely? It's called gun CONTROL for a reason, the UK has strict gun laws and you can only own one if you have a bloody good reason like a farmer protecting his land. [/quote] That's called a ban. Saying I can't own a gun because it has a removable magazine is a ban on that gun. For the love of all things holy please stop comparing the UK to the US. They are vastly different cultures and mind sets. That is your biggest fault when it comes to reasonably arguing for gun "control" in the US.

Your right about the different mind set. I forgot anything that is limited = a full blown ban. Pick up a dictionary for pete's sake. [quote]There are by various estimates anywhere from 270 million to 310 million guns in the United States — close to one firearm for every man, woman and child. But in point of fact, only a minority of Americans own guns. A Pew Research Center survey conducted in February found that 37% of households had an adult who owned a gun — 24% said they owned a gun, and 13% said someone else in their household did.[/quote]

People aren't addicted to guns.