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8/20/2013 4:45:07 AM
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Ohoh, this is just like those Geth discussions over at the BSN. Not getting me to text wall about this again OP. Never again, BSN.
*sits back, unfolds 300 foot chair, and watches debate rage on*
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Edited by Dusty: 8/20/2013 9:48:00 PMBSN? *Shudder*. I joined around the time people were convinced Bioware was going to release "The Truth" as a DLC. What exactly were the Geth threads like?
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The Geth threads were okay. In fact, I'd be willing to say the regular discussion boards actually do have some shred of sense in them, thanks in part to people like MyChemicalBromance (<3). And then you have the Character and Romance forums. Holy mother of god. No wonder they were shut down. #Destiny is a contender for stupidest forum ever, but even there it's just a bunch of especially deluded fanboys. In the C&R forums, it's like you're taking a trip to Alcatraz or something.
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That's that "Tali Sweat" thread right? I've heard horrible things about the C&R threads. Something about a Miranda flamewar?
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Don't remind me And then you had the "Kaiden's underwear" thread...
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Oh god...
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I'm an old hand at long BSN threads as well. Who are you over there? I'm MyChemicalBromance.
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Ohoh, I know you well. It's a secret.
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Omg Gojira you have to tell me who you were over there!
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But what if you were one of my favorite posters! At least PM me a clue or something.
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nope it r secretz :3
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aww fine be that way :p
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it wel nevur com owt
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tis shame
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-_- No one ever tells me who they are over there...
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Edited by kgj: 8/20/2013 10:25:05 PMOf course not XD But this is all after my perma ban. Instead I know you from your ME3 ending defense which me and a couple of other guys took down on one of smudboy's videos. If I remember correctly, we were actually quite impressed with yours as it actually made a shred of thematic sense when you connected everyone's father issues (hopefully this [i]is[/i] you I'm talking about) with the ending. However, you still didn't realize that the entire problem that the Catalyst is trying to fix is nonexistent in itself- conflict isn't supposed to be mitigated to create the "normal" life that the Catalyst attempted to. Conflict is how species grow, it's important and essential to evolution. In addition, while your interpretation may make some logical sense, it still eschews the conventions of good writing. But, at this point, my patience with the ME3 ending is through. I don't really care about people's subjective interpretations of it anymore. I'm simply not willing to type up any more 600 page text walls about it. No more. That "deductive reasoning" thread was the last straw. After we took that one down I was just like "I'm out." So w/e Back on topic, what would [i]your[/i] answer to your question be?
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Edited by Bolt: 8/20/2013 11:23:15 PMSomeone recommended his videos to me recently, but I got bored pretty quick. All the does is offer a "scientific" explanation for something that's unexplained, then he argues against that explanation as if the game gave it explicitly. It doesn't mean anything to disprove a claim that wasn't made, and it misses the "point" of the ambiguity anyways. Also keep in mind that Eezo and, more specifically, Mass Effect fields, are pure space magic, and we're never given any kind of explanation for how they affect structures at the atomic and subatomic level. Their effects would seem to require things to happen there, but we never heard anything about them. Also note that the way in which in the Mass Relays work is Space Magic even within the lore, as the means by which they work is never explained (and the flavor text in the Codex doesn't actually give us any hints if you read it carefully). None of these ambiguities prevented people from enjoying the game in the past, so I'm left to conclude that anyone citing the technical ambiguity in the ending as the reason they hate it is being disingenuous. Mass Effect fields have been ambiguously breaking the laws of the universe since the first game; it doesn't seem outlandish to me to suggest that a multi-billion year old sentience would find ways to use them that we wouldn't understand. And the catalyst isn't trying to bring about an absolute end to conflict; it's trying to bring about an end to extinction. My best argument for that? When Shepard asks "and there will be peace?" The Catalyst doesn't say yes, but simply "The Cycle will end." And that sounds like [url=http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/16579637]this[/url] thread I made. What do you mean "on" his video? OT: I'm not sure yet. I haven't convinced myself of my own argument that homogeneity would be the end result. Ultimately it would require that there be a finite amount of information in all possible Universes, which we just don't have the information to speculate on.
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A) On smudboy's videos, there are often comment wars where the ending fans come in with threads to support themselves. There's usually a few people around the comments B) I understand what you mean about the Mass Relays and all other tech, but the thing is that can all fit within the suspension of disbelief that we have. When the Catalyst somehow creates "a new DNA" and forcibly changes every single living being in the entire galaxy with it, and then somehow creates a lattice structure around [i]individual DNA molecules[/i] (which by the way, isn't possible in any way, shape, or form- literally)? How do you call it "DNA" if it's clearly [i]not[/i] deoxyribonucleic acid? I mean, the Mass Relays don't really make sense and they'll fit the suspension of disbelief, but when you get into biological mechanisms they [i]have[/i] to maintain consistency with real world mechanics. Otherwise it becomes, well, downright illogical. C) That's the one. D) [quote]And the catalyst isn't trying to bring about an absolute end to conflict; it's trying to bring about an end to extinction. My best argument for that? When Shepard asks "and there will be peace?" The Catalyst doesn't say yes, but simply "The Cycle will end."[/quote] "But you were created..." "Correct. By ones who recognized that [i][u][b]conflict would always arise between synthetics and organics.[/i][/u][/b]" ^ That is the Leviathans' premise for the Catalyst. E) I guess I have to agree with that. While, as I've said, for a society a conflict free environment is most preferred, for a species a homogeneous environment would lead to an elimination of conflict, and that's never a good thing for evolution. In addition, chaos theory basically says that it's absolutely impossible for immortality or true absolutes in general to exist in the first place.
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My two cents: Individuality is about the worst thing possible for a society. When it gets into species and natural scenarios, the line becomes more ambiguous. Thus leading to me typing up 238409238420398403298409 page text walls where my paleontology background is literally raging at the other party for not knowing basic concepts of evolution. Such as the fact that EVOLUTION NEVER STOPS. F*cking hell.
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[quote]Such as the fact that EVOLUTION NEVER STOPS.[/quote] BUT WUR DA MOST EVOLVE SPESHEEZ ON ERTH, HOW WE GET ANY MUR EVOLVE WHEN WUR DA MOST EVOLVE EVER?!
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[url=http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2009/08/21/falsehoods-has-evolution-stopp/]I used to write pages and pages about this, until I finally found this article which I now refer to everyone.[/url]
