originally posted in:Secular Sevens
She "loved" her children, but not enough to raise them, and let them choose heaven over hell. Love isn't just about preservation.
Say you love someone, that doesn't want to live anymore, are you going to love them enough to let them decide? or only up to the point that suits your desires?
Or instead of death, lets say it's location. Maybe they don't want to be in that town anymore, are you going to force them to stay against their will because you "love" them?
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[quote]She "loved" her children, but not enough to raise them, and let them choose heaven over hell.[/quote]You would actually argue that people who don't want their children to potentially-be-tortured-forever don't love their children? How can you say that with a straight face?
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Edited by Magical Robot: 8/14/2013 12:36:41 AMRead the whole thing.... Your isolated view is your weakness. The whole post explains that part, but you choose to ignore it. If I were to isolate parts of your posts the same way I could make out like you were saying something completely different.
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I *did*, but none of it makes up for that initial absurdity. And try responding to my points. I responded to at least *one* of yours. But fine: [quote]Love isn't just about preservation.[/quote]I would think "making sure my kids aren't tortured until time stops" wouldn't exactly fall under "preservation." In Christianity, your soul is eternal. The question is simply: torture-forever or bliss-forever? That's about as cut-and-dry, love-or-don't-love as you can get. [quote]Say you love someone, that doesn't want to live anymore, are you going to love them enough to let them decide? or only up to the point that suits your desires? [/quote]Typically, analogies make things *clearer*. Euthanasia is a whole other topic, and I don't particularly see how it's similar to this. [quote]Maybe they don't want to be in that town anymore, are you going to force them to stay against their will because you "love" them?[/quote]Again, not analogous. The key difference between heaven and hell is bliss and torture. They are not just arbitrary locations with slightly different climates or restaurant chains.
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Edited by Magical Robot: 8/14/2013 12:52:52 AMOh, I see. You simply can't comprehend what I am saying. Sorry, I don't know how to word it to fit your two dimensional mind set. Say left and right is the choice that everyone has to face, it is a simple choice, some choose right some choose left. But you don't want your children to make a different choice, so you force them to go the direction you see fit.... They never, got to choose, you stole that from them. Our greatest gift, is our ability to choose.
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Edited by Aporia: 8/14/2013 1:11:04 AM[quote]it is a simple choice[/quote]Which is why it isn't analogous. The "choice" between torture and bliss is a loaded one. Now, if you could demonstrate your supposed intellectual superiority and actually directly quote and respond to me, that'd be greeeeeaaaaaaaat.
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I have been, but you keep ignoring the bigger picture to suit your ideals. And I'm not saying I am "superior" different is more accurate. Different to the point that you can't understand me. It's not intelligence so much as a different way of thinking. Don't judge a fish cause it can't climb trees? Look, If I acted aggressively I apologize. I am only trying to help you understand what I'm saying.
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[quote]I have been,[/quote]No, you haven't. [quote]but you keep ignoring the bigger picture to suit your ideals.[/quote]That'd actually be *you*. Eternal torture/bliss *is* a loaded "choice." People don't necessarily actively "choose" to go to hell, they go to hell after displeasing God. You've completely ignored that.