Valid point is valid.

Except it's really not >_>

But opinions, Hylebos. What about opinions

A game that is completely equal throughout every step of the game is poor game design. If a player takes initiative and spots and attacks you first, then he deserves an advantage. Not a huge one mind you, but being unscoped versus a scoped player rarely was an insurmountable advantage, counterplay and options exists for the descoped player. Besides, how does flinching even solve the problem you bring up? The first player to shoot is on target, the other player needs to adjust, I guess they arent on equal footing, and the first person to fire must always win right?

Re-adjusting from a flinch is far easier from re-scoping and trying to get on them again.

No it wasn't, unless you stood still 0.o

Reach on blood gulch, I would DMR fight somebody across the map but because they shot me 1st I was always at the disadvantage because I was rescoping all the time and couldn't get a shot off. A fight should never boil down to "who shot 1st".

[quote] because I was rescoping all the time and couldn't get a shot off.[/quote] So you weren't good enough to win the battle is what I understood from your post. A good player isn't really affected by getting descoped as they can maintain their aim while unscoped.

Can't really move around and snipe

Pro-tip: Moving while sniping makes aiming easier if you know how to do it.

Ah yes you can. It is harder I will give you that, but it is entirely doable. Even without being scoped in it is possible to kill people across the map you just need to be able to aim properly.

You didn't get what i was saying. Having several people shooting at you while you are trying to snipe isn't going to work if you can't even scope in and i am leaving that noscope nonsense out of the scenario.

So you are leaving a higher level ability to use a weapon out of this scenario in order to attempt to make your point valid. That makes definitely makes a lot of sense. Honestly if you can't use a sniper just because a few people preventing you from scoping in then you shouldn't use it in the first place. The purpose of descoping is to add more skill into the game and make it so that people have at least some ability to protect themselves from a sniper at far ranges.

There isn't anything "higher" about noscoping and if you were to talk to an actual sniper about it they would probably punch you in the face or shun you from further conversation. What is the point of using the sniper rifle if you aren't going to use the scope? Why don't you use say a sword,shotgun,or a hammer? Why do people specifically pick a weapon with a scope and then not use it? That has to be the dumbest concept of play online. [quote] Honestly if you can't use a sniper just because a few people preventing you from scoping in then you shouldn't use it in the first place. [/quote] Isn't the point of the sniper to scope in? i can't understand what other purpose it might have. [quote]The purpose of descoping is to add more skill into the game [/quote] How is any "skill" added by doing something any able bodied human can do? I could literally pull my sister over and tell her how to descope. Is she a sniper master now? I am not understanding this concept. [quote]so that people have at least some ability to protect themselves from a sniper at far ranges.[/quote] Ok here are some common sense tips that everybody knows 1. After you have already been killed by or noticed the sniper don't walk into their line of sight. 2.Tell your teammates where they are so everybody can kill 'em at once if not avoid the location. 3. Just walk over there discreetly and kill them. It really doesn't take a genius to kill a sniper and i hate how the most simplest of things are now attributed to "skill". If you don't have the common sense to do the following you are probably below the age of 4.

[quote]There isn't anything "higher" about noscoping and if you were to talk to an actual sniper about it they would probably punch you in the face or shun you from further conversation. What is the point of using the sniper rifle if you aren't going to use the scope? Why don't you use say a sword,shotgun,or a hammer? Why do people specifically pick a weapon with a scope and then not use it? That has to be the dumbest concept of play online.[/quote] Let me just stop you at the "a real sniper would punch you in the face part." Games like Halo or CoD are nowhere near realistic. Play something like Arma 2 or even Battlefield if you want to say something like that since they actually include things like bullet drop. Even then games are nothing like real life and if anything a real sniper would punch you in the face for even comparing the two. As for the "why would you use a sniper without a scope" part. It is very simple in most games a sniper gives you one of the highest damage per shot and has one of the most shots before reloading. Then add onto the fact that it is the most accurate at high to close range it is kind of an obvious choice to use it at all ranges. The only disadvantage is it is harder to aim at close range when compared to as you said a shotgun or sword. Then you misunderstand my usage of higher. I simply mean it takes more skill to noscope and it does. If you deny that you are just an idiot since a smaller reticle at a long range is harder to hit someone than the same reticle at close/medium range which is essentially what scoping in is doing. [quote]Isn't the point of the sniper to scope in? i can't understand what other purpose it might have.[/quote] Then yes the purpose of a sniper is to zoom in, but it is always good to be able to snipe at close range since what happens if someone comes up behind you and starts shooting at you? If you can't kill someone at close range you are going to die while if you can you can kill them and just reposition yourself elsewhere. It is all about have a wider skill set which overall makes you a better player. [quote]How is any "skill" added by doing something any able bodied human can do? I could literally pull my sister over and tell her how to descope. Is she a sniper master now? I am not understanding this concept.[/quote] Oh good your sister can descope now can she kill someone across the map that is shooting at her while desoped? I am going to assume she can't since that actually takes a fair amount of skill to do. [quote]Ok here are some common sense tips that everybody knows 1. After you have already been killed by or noticed the sniper don't walk into their line of sight. 2.Tell your teammates where they are so everybody can kill 'em at once if not avoid the location. 3. Just walk over there discreetly and kill them. It really doesn't take a genius to kill a sniper and i hate how the most simplest of things are now attributed to "skill". If you don't have the common sense to do the following you are probably below the age of 4.[/quote] LOL damn. For points 1-3 all just ignore the possibility that the other team has map control and/or is spawn camping. It is like you have never played against a good team for you to be saying most of this stuff.