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Edited by Camnator:
6/7/2013 7:00:43 PM
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No, and neither should liberals. Both are dangerously incompetent.
"gut the fed and social security nets" We SHOULD.
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Nice to know you don't like democracy.
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I actually don't. We're not even a democracy. The majority has no authority to oppress the minority.
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What system would you prefer?
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Self-governance, voluntarism.
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How will we elect officials?
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Why would we need them?
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Edited by Gruntzilla24: 6/8/2013 12:10:20 AMTo make decisions, pass laws, declare war, set budgets? Also, if you think people will voluntarily donate enough money to run the police, fire departments, and ambulance services, you're delusional. Congratulations, you're an anarchist. Governments are made up of elected officials. Without elected officials, there is no government. No government = anarchy.
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What decisions? We already have all the laws we need from nature, we could still defend ourselves when necessary and what budgets would have to be set? You don't give people enough credit, and that's saying something coming from me. What has to be run, anyway? I think you're stuck in this fantasy that government is holding everything together, it's quite the opposite. They are causing our collapse because they have become an obsolete waste. At MOST we should get them back in the confines of the Constitution, end income tax and seriously limit their power and scope again. And give people the option to OPT THE HELL OUT!
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[quote]We already have all the laws we need from nature[/quote]*facepalm* [quote] we could still defend ourselves[/quote]*facepalm* [quote]what budgets would have to be set?[/quote]*facepalm* [quote]What has to be run, anyway? [/quote] Police, fire, ambulance, healthcare, schools, transportation, the military, federal investigations, border and customs patrol, and a LOT more. Here's the difference between you and I: I would rather fix and reform our system (Progressive), and you'd rather get rid of it all (Anarchist).
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Edited by Camnator: 6/8/2013 12:49:37 AMIf I were you I'd also be facepalming a lot in my life. We can have those without government. We're the police, firefighters could charge for services, healthcare would be far worse controlled by government, schools became far worse when controlled by government, transportation is far superior in the private sector, we can have a military without government, federal investigations are a joke and private enterprise is once again superior and we shouldn't have borders. Wow, that was easy. Here's the real difference, you push for a lousier system that will become a massive waste, I say without it entirely we would flourish and prosper far greater than ever before. Or do you think it's simply a coincidence that everything the government runs is broke or broken? They commit crimes they punish other people for doing like the pyramid scheme that is Social Security. If you or I tried that they would sentence us to prison for decades.
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Edited by Gruntzilla24: 6/8/2013 1:20:17 AMName me one country with a system like the one you describe that works. Its also awesome to see that you don't give a damn about the founding fathers or the constitution.
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It's never been attempted in a civilized society because we have never made it happen. Let me guess, you expect a corrupt and powerful government to just willingly disband itself? HAHAHA! Do you see why you're delusional? Except I do, infinitely more than you.
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Way to admit your ideas aren't feasible. Except you don't. Have you ever even heard of an Article 5 Constitutional Convention?
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Except they ARE feasible, people are simply too naive to take responsibility. I do. I may have, not sure,, but I guarantee I know more about the Constitution than you.
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So you're recommending a violent overthrow of the government, I assume? Go read about Article 5 Constitutional Conventions, THEN participate in this debate.
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Only if they don't surrender peacefully, but if necessary, absolutely. Their corruption and tyranny has been outrageous for decades. A tool that was meant to reduce the power of government? Great. Too bad it'll likely never be utilized.
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Wow. Now I definitely think you shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm.
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So our framers shouldn't have owned any or fought a revolution? You're the exact reason I do own firearms to protect my liberty.
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You're kidding right? You just said earlier that they could pretty go f*ck themselves and that no one could tell you what to do not even the constitution. And now you're hiding behind it. F*cking irony at it's peak.
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What? When the hell did I say that? I'll be waiting for a quote.
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You said you'd overthrow the government, making the constitution invalid. And according to you, in your chaotic country where pretty much anyone can do what they want. There is no way you would be able to get enough competant doctors, police officers, and firefighters to keep this country running. They'd want pay for risking their lives. They wouldn't volunteer. And there is no reason for your citizens to do what they say without you becoming a hypocrite.
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Ya, just like our framers did to end tyranny. We wouldn't need a Constitution to limit government if there was no government. Why would my country be chaotic? We wouldn't have a corrupt government harming us all. Why would anyone be able to do what they want? We would still have natural rights and freedoms and things would be fr more prosperous without the government constantly infringing on them. We are the police, and firefighters and doctors could continue to charge for services. We would save MASSIVE amounts of money with reduced crime when getting rid of black markets and gangs our government creates and all the prisoners that shouldn't be there released so we can have less prison guards making massive amounts of money. How exactly would I be a hypocrite? You are either the hypocrite, or enormously naive.
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Expect it already has, and is happening currently.... wolf-pac.com a lot of our problems come from the corrosive effect of money in politics. See, if you were a progressive, you'd want to FIX our system.
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I do want to fix our world, the difference is I actually WANT IT TO GET FIXED. My solution is simply superior.
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Edited by Gruntzilla24: 6/8/2013 2:03:04 AMHow could you possibly believe in the constitution if you want to get rid of it?
