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6/5/2013 7:22:18 PM
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Bungie hasn't made a Halo game since Halo: Reach, you're looking for 3fail3idiocy. They're the ones who made Halo 4 and the ones making Spartan Assault. Bungie is no longer at all involved with Halo, as they didn't own the series after Microsoft bought out Bungie way back before the first game ever came out, Bungie couldn't take Halo with them when attained independence from Micro$oft, so 343Industries was created to run Halo for Microsoft.....3fail3idiocy are the ones you're looking for if you want to blame the decline in quality on and Halo being run into the muck.
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Being a little overdramatic, are we?
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Overly dramatic? On B.net? Pfft. doesn't happen. Brb, I gotta go burn my Xbox...
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Nope. That's what I think of them, drama has nothing to do with it :P Halo only started going down the toilet after 343i started gearing up to release Halo 4, they are therefore logically the ones to blame for -blam!-ing everything in the series up.
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Oh no, I'm not talking about that. I completely respect your opinion on 343i and their work. And your insight into how Elites are treated and how Master Chief and Cortana are represented in the novels and in the games has changed my perspective on how I originally viewed them. When I mean overdramatic, I mean you are acting like 343i is Satan himself. Everything they put out is automatically the worst thing on the planet. Your refusal to ask them questions when you had the chance. Your refusal to read Silentium. Everytime you need to spell 343i or Halo 4, you always use "Halol 4" and "3fail3idiocy". That's pretty insulting. You also seem to refuse to believe that Bungie created big faults with the story. The most obvious one being that their original plans was for Humans to be Forerunners. So, your distaste for 343i is understandable. But the level at which you amplify it is quite antagonizing and ridiculous.
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Of course it's not the worst thing on the planet, there are things a thousand times worse, and I've never acted like it's the worst thing ever. As to 343i themselves, it's hardly over-dramatic as the company is something that i absolutely despise and can't stand in the least. My opinion of them can't get much lower than it already is, they're a complete disgrace because of what they've done to/with Halo and continue to do with the story. Why would I have questions or be curious about something I hate? I don't [i]care[/i] about 343i's story, so why would I have questions or things I want answered? It's not a matter of refusal, it's a simple matter of having absolutely nothing worthwhile to say. The only kinds of questions I would even have for them are of the "what -blam!- is wrong with you?!?" variety, not something that they would have any interest in answering or would answer at all. And now you're putting words in my mouth, I have never once said anything about refusing to read Silentium, not once. It is [i]not[/i] something that I wish to spend my own money on or high up on my list of priorities to get as a gift from other people, again refusal has absolutely nothing to do with it. I just simply don't care to waste my money on something that I know I won't enjoy or agree with or prioritize it in the list of things that I want to ask for over stuff that I actually [i]do[/i] want. Again with the putting words in my mouth :/ I have never once used "Halol 4", I didn't think that sort of thing was clever or funny back when Reach came out with either "Halol: Reach" or "lolReach" or any of the other derogatory names for Reach, and I still don't think it's clever or funny now, and that would simply be singling out the symptom over the disease. If I'm going to single anything out with derisive names or particular scorn, I would rather fling them at the source of the problem(s). What you see as a mistake or a fault is not guaranteed to be applicable to everyone, I do not see anything that you guys regard as mistakes or errors as anything of the sort, that is the wonder of completely and totally subjective opinions, not everybody shares the same ones. The details about Humanity and Forerunners in Bungie's lore is not a problem for me, never has been, and never [i]will[/i] be because as far as I've concerned they've [i][b][u]ALWAYS[/u][/b][/i] different. You have your opinion, and you're completely welcome to it, and [i]I[/i] have mine. It's not amplified or exaggerated, I absolutely hate the company and would love nothing more than to see them stop making more Halo altogether than see it continue to be -blam!- like it is. 343i has betrayed, and continues to betray, the Halo series, you can't avoid antagonizing something you feel absolutely no love for and hate to your very core.
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Edited by Mr Admirals7044: 6/8/2013 3:04:37 AM[quote]Of course it's not the worst thing on the planet, there are things a thousand times worse, and I've never acted like it's the worst thing ever.[/quote]Yes you do. The only online activity on Halo sites I've seen from you is either Thanking posts that criticize 343i heavily, or even outright hate them. On Bungie, the only posts I've seen from you those random paragraphs where you condemn 343i for being the worst thing ever. [quote]As to 343i themselves, it's hardly over-dramatic as the company is something that i absolutely despise and can't stand in the least. My opinion of them can't get much lower than it already is, they're a complete disgrace because of what they've done to/with Halo and continue to do with the story.[/quote]It's very over dramatic. I hate Call of Duty to the depths of its core, but you don't see me spitting fire at it. [quote]Why would I have questions or be curious about something I hate?[/quote]Because the types of questions being asked were stuff like, "Why did you manage this part of the storyline so terribly?" Seems right up your alley. [quote]I don't care about 343i's story, so why would I have questions or things I want answered?[/quote]That's a straight up lie. If you didn't care about 343i's story you wouldn't have this demeanor towards them. [quote]It's not a matter of refusal, it's a simple matter of having absolutely nothing worthwhile to say. The only kinds of questions I would even have for them are of the "what -blam!- is wrong with you?!?"[/quote]So? Why didn't you? All you'd have to do is phrase it more politely: "343i, I heavily disagree with your story direction. Why did you monsterize the Elites, and why did you turn the Didact into an antogonist?" [quote]And now you're putting words in my mouth, I have never once said anything about refusing to read Silentium, not once. It is not something that I wish to spend my own money on or high up on my list of priorities to get as a gift from other people, again refusal has absolutely nothing to do with it. I just simply don't care to waste my money on something that I know I won't enjoy or agree with or prioritize it in the list of things that I want to ask for over stuff that I actually do want.[/quote]My apologies. Either way. You not wanting to read is a big problem with your hate towards 343i. 1. You're prejudging it. 2. All your complaints about the Didact being an antogonist are completely moot. Heck, I've even to explained to you why he's antogonistic, and I feel like you cover your ears and scream, "LALA I'M NOT LISTENING." Obviously you aren't, but you've prejudged the Didact so much, you refuse to believe he can be anything but a white knight who is incorruptible. [quote]Again with the putting words in my mouth :/ I have never once used "Halol 4", I didn't think that sort of thing was clever or funny back when Reach came out with either "Halol: Reach" or "lolReach" or any of the other derogatory names for Reach, and I still don't think it's clever or funny now, and that would simply be singling out the symptom over the disease. If I'm going to single anything out with derisive names or particular scorn, I would rather fling them at the source of the problem(s).[/quote]I'm positive you did. but, whether or not you did use that term, my main point of argument was that you're mocking Halo with the light change in names for 343i or whatever. [quote]What you see as a mistake or a fault is not guaranteed to be applicable to everyone, I do not see anything that you guys regard as mistakes or errors as anything of the sort, that is the wonder of completely and totally subjective opinions, not everybody shares the same ones. The details about Humanity and Forerunners in Bungie's lore is not a problem for me, never has been, and never will be because as far as I've concerned they've ALWAYS different. You have your opinion, and you're completely welcome to it, and I have mine.[/quote]Oh yes. And I understand that. but then there's a problem when it appears that you hate something to the depths of your core. [quote]It's not amplified or exaggerated, I absolutely hate the company and would love nothing more than to see them stop making more Halo altogether than see it continue to be -blam!- like it is. 343i has betrayed, and continues to betray, the Halo series, you can't avoid antagonizing something you feel absolutely no love for and hate to your very core.[/quote]This is what I mean. You're acting like 343i is the worst thing ever. I have no comprehension of how it is getting -blam!-. Betray and betrayed? What? This is exactly what I mean. A betrayal is when someone turns there back on something or someone, or goes against its wishes. Yet, how has 343i betrayed Halo if they continue to support it? You can't avoid it? What? Yes you can. It's called self control. I gauarntee you would not say the these things to someone at 343i's face. You would accuse them of betraying Halo, you would not accuse them of -blam!- it. I hate Call of Duty to the depths of its core, yet look at me. I go about it in a normal manner because I'm able to actually pick out the things they might have done well rather than let hate cloud every single part of my judgement.
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[quote]Yes you do. The only online activity on Halo sites I've seen from you is either Thanking posts that criticize 343i heavily, or even outright hate them. On Bungie, the only posts I've seen from you those random paragraphs where you condemn 343i for being the worst thing ever.[/quote] No, I don't act like it is, as I said, there a million and one things far worse and more important than a company messing up on the story in a fiction series. I don't act like 343i is the worst thing ever. And of course I'm going to thank or like the opinions I agree with, the people who like 343i do the same exact thing XD Likewise in threads relating to Halo or topics that come up relating to Halo that come up within threads I am going to give my opinion on the subject, the same as the people who 343i and their story. [quote]It's very over dramatic. I hate Call of Duty to the depths of its core, but you don't see me spitting fire at it.[/quote] Did you ever like Call of Duty in the first place though? The reaction and type of hate, and reasons for it, is going to be completely different from something you've never liked before, and something that you like or used to like being messed up. Odds are you're going to be more pissed off if someone comes along and grafitis or vandalizes your property than you will be over it happening to something or someone else. I don't like Call of Duty either, but I never liked it in the first place, so I have no real reason to talk about it or go after it in any way. [quote]Because the types of questions being asked were stuff like, "Why did you manage this part of the storyline so terribly?" Seems right up your alley. That's a straight up lie. If you didn't care about 343i's story you wouldn't have this demeanor towards them. So? Why didn't you? All you'd have to do is phrase it more politely: "343i, I heavily disagree with your story direction. Why did you monsterize the Elites, and why did you turn the Didact into an antogonist?"[/quote] Whatever answers or excuses they come up with are not going to change my mind on the matter, so they're no point in even asking them. I don't care why they thought it was a good idea, because I'll disagree with whatever response they give. Like I said, there is no point in asking questions about something I don't care about. I don't care what reasons they had or reasonings they give, because I disagree with their whole entire view on the series, their answers are going to come from their views, and hearing more of their bullshit is not going to change I view their other bullshit. And what I mean by "I don't care" is that I have no interest in following the story anymore, I don't want to own anymore Halo products by 343i, I don't care about getting more Halo merch from them. What they continued to do with the story and I learn about will still infuriate me and piss me off, I will always care about what I regard as the real Halo series (everything during the first ten or so years of Halo's life) and continued deviations from that will [i]always[/i] piss me off. I don't care if any of 343i's characters live or die, or stay whole or get maimed, it doesn't matter whether the "good guys" in 343i's story win or if they lose...I have not an ounce of care for any of them. [quote]My apologies. Either way. You not wanting to read is a big problem with your hate towards 343i. 1. You're prejudging it. 2. All your complaints about the Didact being an antogonist are completely moot. Heck, I've even to explained to you why he's antogonistic, and I feel like you cover your ears and scream, "LALA I'M NOT LISTENING." Obviously you aren't, but you've prejudged the Didact so much, you refuse to believe he can be anything but a white knight who is incorruptible.[/quote] 1. That is what summaries are for, prejudging whether you want to read something or not, and none of the summaries have made me want anything to do with what 343i comes up with, they've done quite the opposite. And spoilers are the next step up from summaries. I know enough to make up my mind whether I like something or not. 2. That is what the character [i]is[/i]. And that is the whole problem with 343i, because they decided they know better than anyone else and have derailed almost every already existing character by this point in at least some way. Some, like the Didact, are completely derailed and OOC, so much so that they can't even be called the same character anymore. The only similarity that 343i's Didact shares with the actual Didact is his name and some of his personal history. It doesn't matter how you try to explain or excuse something if the very thing you're trying to explain doesn't belong in the first place. [quote]I'm positive you did. but, whether or not you did use that term, my main point of argument was that you're mocking Halo with the light change in names for 343i or whatever.[/quote] That's the whole point in calling them that or giving them derisive names, as far as I'm concerned they deserve some mockery. It's an ideal way to properly vent frustration at the company for what they've done and continue to do. And as long as I consider them to suck, I will continue use of such names when I feel the need to >_> [quote]This is what I mean. You're acting like 343i is the worst thing ever. I have no comprehension of how it is getting -blam!-. Betray and betrayed? What? This is exactly what I mean. A betrayal is when someone turns there back on something or someone, or goes against its wishes. Yet, how has 343i betrayed Halo if they continue to support it? You can't avoid it? What? Yes you can. It's called self control. I gauarntee you would not say the these things to someone at 343i's face. You would accuse them of betraying Halo, you would not accuse them of -blam!- it. I hate Call of Duty to the depths of its core, yet look at me. I go about it in a normal manner because I'm able to actually pick out the things they might have done well rather than let hate cloud every single part of my judgement.[/quote] A series is more than just putting out updates or releasing more of it, just because it's continued to be called the name of the series does not make it so. 343i's story is nothing like what Halo actually is, yet they continue to call it that and make it out to be Halo....hence a betrayal, they're more concerned with making [i]their[/i] series than they are about keeping it consistent with what established Halo in the first place. They even blatantly contradict [i]their own[/i] stories. The story is what makes a series, and that is what 343i [i]consistently[/i] keeps violating and betraying. Depends on what employees I was talking to or who was present. People who designed the way the game plays or UI and the more technical aspects? I have nothing to say to them, they can just continue to do their job. For them I might have polite and constructive criticism, or just have nothing to say at all except "carry on". People involved with the story on the other hand? To these people, I would be doing the exact same things I do on the forums, they get the full blast of my rage whether it's here on the forums or if I ever met them in person. If I had anything I actually liked, I would say so and point what they've done well...and recently I don't find anything that they have. I don't like any of the story in Halo 4/Spartan Ops, or the bullshit from Karen Travissty, or Silentium, I have nothing to praise there. And I frequently point out the things that I have liked (Cryptum, Primordium, Halo Legends, Halo Evolutions, Forward Unto Dawn).
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Edited by Mr Admirals7044: 6/19/2013 4:39:00 AM[quote]No, I don't act like it is, as I said, there a million and one things far worse and more important than a company messing up on the story in a fiction series.[/quote]If there are things far worse than Halo's Story direction, I'm sure your rhetoric towards those things would disintegrate a human's eyes. [quote] And of course I'm going to thank or like the opinions I agree with, the people who like 343i do the same exact thing XD Likewise in threads relating to Halo or topics that come up relating to Halo that come up within threads I am going to give my opinion on the subject, the same as the people who 343i and their story.[/quote]It's funny that you say that. Those posts seldom have similar views and will even contradict each other. But as soon as you see it has heavy criticism against 343i... Then why are those opinions always the same thing just reiterated? I haven't seen you post something constructive for 7 months. [quote]Did you ever like Call of Duty in the first place though? The reaction and type of hate, and reasons for it, is going to be completely different from something you've never liked before, and something that you like or used to like being messed up. Odds are you're going to be more pissed off if someone comes along and grafitis or vandalizes your property than you will be over it happening to something or someone else. I don't like Call of Duty either, but I never liked it in the first place, so I have no real reason to talk about it or go after it in any way.[/quote]Fair enough. Let me replace 'Call of Duty' with 'Halo Reach' then since you've proved that Call of Duty is not applicable in this situation. [quote]Whatever answers or excuses they come up with are not going to change my mind on the matter, so they're no point in even asking them. [/quote]Why would it change your mind? The reason why I believe you feel like 343i is the worst thing ever is because of this. Your hatred and disgust with them is so embedded into your soul that you refuse to even recieve closure from them. At this point, I wouldn't bat an eye at all if you spit in Frank O'Conner's face. [quote]And what I mean by "I don't care" is that I have no interest in following the story anymore, I don't want to own anymore Halo products by 343i, I don't care about getting more Halo merch from them. What they continued to do with the story and I learn about will still infuriate me and piss me off, I will always care about what I regard as the real Halo series (everything during the first ten or so years of Halo's life) and continued deviations from that will always piss me off. I don't care if any of 343i's characters live or die, or stay whole or get maimed, it doesn't matter whether the "good guys" in 343i's story win or if they lose...I have not an ounce of care for any of them.[/quote]This is an obvious lie since you will still be spouting off how their decisions made for Halo 5, 6 and Spartan Assault ruin the lore. Same with Halo 4. [quote]1. That is what summaries are for, prejudging whether you want to read something or not, and none of the summaries have made me want anything to do with what 343i comes up with, they've done quite the opposite. And spoilers are the next step up from summaries. I know enough to make up my mind whether I like something or not.[/quote]All of us from the Archives have a genuine disliking of Karren Traviss. We read them because we want to know the explanations for things happening in the universe. I suspect you prejudged Silentium [i]before[/i] you began to read the summaries. You see, consideirng the image you hold that the Didact is the Jesus of the Forerunners, I would be more understanding if you didn't read it because you refuse to have your perception of him shattered. (Which is BS anyway) But, the fact that you won't read it for understanding the origins of the Flood, and what the Precursors are. That's pretty silly. [quote]2. That is what the character is. And that is the whole problem with 343i, because they decided they know better than anyone else and have derailed almost every already existing character by this point in at least some way. Some, like the Didact, are completely derailed and OOC, so much so that they can't even be called the same character anymore. The only similarity that 343i's Didact shares with the actual Didact is his name and some of his personal history. It doesn't matter how you try to explain or excuse something if the very thing you're trying to explain doesn't belong in the first place.[/quote]You proved my point perfectly. These differences between characters, this is what we call character development, not excuses. I'm still amazed you have come up with an entire image on who the Didact is based on vague text based terminals who make the Forerunners out to be space angels. [quote]That's the whole point in calling them that or giving them derisive names, as far as I'm concerned they deserve some mockery. It's an ideal way to properly vent frustration at the company for what they've done and continue to do. And as long as I consider them to suck, I will continue use of such names when I feel the need to >_>[/quote]Why are you still frustrated if you said you don't care what they do with the characters anymore? Doesn't that mean you've come to terms with what they did? I hate Bungie for what they did to Halo Reach. I hate Bioware for what they did to Mass Effect 3. You see, I've always found mature rhetoric to be the most powerful. It shows that the evidence you have that backs up your argument is powerful enough that it doesn't need to be supplemented by insults. There's a 3 hour movie on youtube, where a scientist refutes and proves EVERY single Ancient Alien Theory wrong. Throughout the course of the entire movie he expressed very clearly how upset he was with Ancient Alines for outright lying, and making up slander, yet he managed to not insult them one during the entire 3 hours. [quote] A series is more than just putting out updates or releasing more of it, just because it's continued to be called the name of the series does not make it so. 343i's story is nothing like what Halo actually is, yet they continue to call it that and make it out to be Halo....hence a betrayal, they're more concerned with making their series than they are about keeping it consistent with what established Halo in the first place.[/quote]Then why is it consistent with previous lore? Now obviously, certain things could have been handled better, the Elites obviously, but their canon makes it clear that the Storm Covenant is entirly made up of radical conservatives from Hesduros. I do believe it is more Karen Traviss' fault than anything because I bet Eric Nylund could have explained the post war Elites infinitely better. [quote]They even blatantly contradict their own stories.[/quote]No they don't. I'd actually say that Bungie did that more. [quote]The story is what makes a series, and that is what 343i consistently keeps violating and betraying.[/quote]Looking at the Elites, I would possibely agree with you. Looking at the Flood and Forerunners, they're doing a much better job than Bungie. [quote] To these people, I would be doing the exact same things I do on the forums, they get the full blast of my rage whether it's here on the forums or if I ever met them in person[/quote]That's pretty darn rude. This further supports my view you believe 343i's direction is the worst thing ever. The internet is a great medium for allowing people to vent their full views. Doing that publicly is not something we can do however because it actually turns into harrassment. So much for that self control... [quote]I don't like any of the story in Halo 4/Spartan Ops, or the bullshit from Karen Travissty, or Silentium, I have nothing to praise there.[/quote]Halo 4 - I suspect your opinion on that is clouded by your prejudgement of the Didact. Spartan Ops - I don't blame you at all. Overall story was good, but the smaller bits should have been handled way better. Karen Traviss - I agree Silentium - You refuse to read this because it contradicts your original view on the Didact. I'd be shocked if you told me you didn't like it because of the Precursors. [quote]And I frequently point out the things that I have liked (Cryptum, Primordium, Halo Legends, Halo Evolutions, Forward Unto Dawn).[/quote]Cryptum - Yeah, only because the Didact is still someone you like (despite the nuances that he really F-ing hates humanity) Primordium - Only because it didn't have the Ur-Didact in it. Legends - Wat. We're talking about the same Legends, yes? This contradicts so much pre-existing canon it's utterly ridiculous. The fact that a booster frame's Guass Cannons can break through a CAS-Assault Carrier's Shield's is laughable. The fact that Seraphs have no shields. The fact that the size proportions and species strength are switched around so much. Also, who's bright idea was it to include scenes that never happened during Origins? Foreward Unto Dawn - What? How do you even like this? At all? The Covenant all wear Hesduros Culture Armor, and post war armor. And they even monsterize Elites and include models of vehichles and weapons that are inconsistent with the time period. This is why I believe your opinion and views is extremely dependent on your highly objectified views and prejudgments.
