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4/20/2013 4:04:58 AM
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Maybe this person will realize in the future the extent of their misdeeds and feel remorse. I'd be the first to accept a heartfelt apology if he delivered one. Maybe this isn't the most relevant thing to post, but I've always felt myself wholly capable of forgiving even the most awful of acts if the person behind them sincerely feels sorrow.
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While I am for forgiveness, how can you know it's genuine? I've forgiven people only for them to repeat the same thing they've done before.
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I don't know, that's the hard part.
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Started a new topic: Why forgiveness makes life easier.(5 Replies))
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A agree with you Winy, if people are truly remorseful for what they did, then they should be forgiven. However, they should also atone for their sins by living a life of selflessness. They should devote the rest of their lives to helping others.
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I can't agree with you on this one Winy. This man will not earn my forgiveness
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Edited by Cobblestone: 4/21/2013 7:12:24 AMWere such a thing to come to pass, then so long as your forgiveness wouldn't interfere with the process of exacting a morally just punishment, it'd be a noble and commendable thing. (That sentence sort of came out as word salad, so a clarification: it's a compliment.) "Forgiveness is the ultimate sacrifice."
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forgiveness is not so easily earned, the most heinous of acts should never be so idly forgotten with words of absolution. there are some sins that can never be atoned for.
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WinyPit I used to look up to you... now I feel sad.
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Hoping that somebody realizes the awful nature of their actions and then doing what they can to turn themselves around is a bad thing?
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Water board them till they "confess" then kill him. He can't turn himself around from the shit hole that monster is in.
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So you want to torture him then kill him? Torturing someone for them to confess is the worst form of interrogation ever. Anyone can admit it to end the pain. That's not including the massive amount of laws you'd be breaking. You're sick.
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That person isn't remotely human. Why do you think a guy who bombed over 100 people would want to confess and be a "good" guy. He will spit out bs. Might as well give him pain while doing it.
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And who are you to be sure that the guy you're torturing is the right guy? Guilty untill proven innocent? Sorry, I thought your country (that you seem to love so much) works it the other way around.
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Bull shit we have enough evidence.
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Okay, torture him to get a confession. You know what will happen in court? The confession will be thrown out in an instant, and the bombers are MUCH more likely to walk. So lets get this straight. Say we do what you say: -Possibility of an innocent tortures -Human rights and many laws broken -Much more likely for the guy to walk in a court of law
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Possibility of saving innocent lives*
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Really? Did you read what I said? If you torture him to get a confession then he'll quite possibly walk. Only to cause more harm to people.
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This monster is not innocent. Whether he confesses or not he should be given the death penalty on spot.
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Innocent untill proven guilty. It's like you're completely throwing out all logic due to emotion. And that's why I'm glad you're not a lawyer or a Judge.
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I couldn't be a lawyer because I would try to screw my own guy over if he was guilty,
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Exactly, because you fail to grasp the two concepts of "right to a fair trial" and "Innocent untill proven guilty".
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You fail to grasp some people are monsters and need harsh punishment.
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Yes they do. But you need to effectively PROVE they are guilty of the crime before they receive the punishment.
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I don't want our tax dollars going to a trail for a man who blew up over 100 people. F uck fairness, if that guy wanted a fair trial, he shouldn't of bombed people. Is it fair for the people who are in the hospital, or the people who are dead?
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You don't want to pay for a trial, you don't want to prove that he is guilty? It's not about fairness, it's about human rights. About innocent untill proven guilty.
