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Edited by Swim Good:
4/19/2013 2:39:46 PM
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Wow, who'd have thought they'd actually be Chechen (Chech isn't a nationality BTW, Czech is but that's another country entirely). I wonder if the US will team up with Russia to invade Chechnya now seeing as how I'm sure the Russians would love an excuse to wipe it off the map.
The vilification of all Muslims by America is a shameful thing and, unfortunately, I only see this making it worse.
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lol, Russia's had control of Chechnya for over ten years.
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Edited by Swim Good: 4/21/2013 1:35:01 PMlol where' d I say they didn't? If you knew anyting about Russian-Chechnan relations you'd know that Chechnya is still very much seen as a thorn in Russia's side, as you would expect from a hotbed of fundamentalist terrorism, and that many Russians think it'd be best to just purge the place of any militants.
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[quote] I wonder if the US will team up with Russia to invade Chechnya[/quote]
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Edited by Swim Good: 4/21/2013 5:44:15 PMDerp? How would you term a possible joint Russian-American military operation to finally rid Chechyna of Islamic sepratists/fundamentalist terrorists? Russia haven't gone into Chechnya with that aim since 04 so going in now with military force, as a consequence of the Boston bombings, could easily be termed an "invasion". Especially seeing as how that was the term used by the media during the 01-04 campaign despite Chechnya obviously being part of Russia at the time.
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Counter-insurgency, obviously. Not that there's any way the United States would be involved. [quote]Russia haven't gone into Chechnya with that aim since 04 so going in now with military force, as a consequence of the Boston bombings, could easily be termed an "invasion". Especially seeing as how that was the term used by the media during the 01-04 campaign despite Chechnya obviously being part of Russia at the time.[/quote] Are you sure you're not thinking about the [i]actual[/i] invasion in 1999?
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I think you're probably right though, if the Boston bombings turn out to be part of a larger campaign planned by jihadists in Chechnya, you never know (though I agree it is unlikely now that a warmonger liked Bush isn't in the Oval Office). I only really pondered it seeing as how the last terrorist attack on American soil sparked the "War on Terror". And yes, I did mean the 99 campaign. Christ knows where I conjured 01-04 from...
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[quote]I think you're probably right though, if the Boston bombings turn out to be part of a larger campaign planned by jihadists in Chechnya, you never know (though I agree it is unlikely now that a warmonger liked Bush isn't in the Oval Office). I only really pondered it seeing as how the last terrorist attack on American soil sparked the "War on Terror".[/quote] I mean that Russia wouldn't allow the U.S. to run counter-insurgency operations in Chechnya, but it'd also be nonsensical to want to go there at all, given how few militants there actually are any more. [quote]And yes, I did mean the 99 campaign. Christ knows where I conjured 01-04 from...[/quote] That would have been called an invasion because, prior to that, Chechnya (or Ichkeria) had de facto independence. It doesn't now.
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Edited by Swim Good: 4/22/2013 9:24:44 AMMeh, I'm sure if it was a join operation Russia wouldn't have as much of an issue as you think. There's also a still meant to be a fair few militants hiding out in the North Caucasus mountains as part of the Caucasian Front. And Ichkeria was still a part of Russia and saying it had independence (due only to it announcing its own succession) is probably no different than saying the Caucasus Emirate has "independence" today. And the Emirate would be the obvious target for any counter-insurgency. It's probably a moot point though. I really think you're splitting hairs to be honest as far as me using the word "invade" goes.
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Edited by Seggi: 4/22/2013 9:36:39 AM[quote]Meh, I'm sure if it was a join operation Russia wouldn't have as much of an issue as you think.[/quote]You seriously think that Russia would ever let the U.S. in on counter-insurgency ops in their own sovereign territory when they've already got the situation under control by themselves? Or that the U.S. would ever think that would be a good idea? [quote]And Ichkeria was still a part of Russia and saying it had independence (due only to it announcing its own succession) is probably no different than saying the Caucasus Emirate has "independence" today. And the Emirate would be the obvious target for any counter-insurgency. It's probably a moot point though.[/quote]No, it actually had independence. Like, there were no federal forces in the region, and the secessionists had control of the capital and the wider Republic. [quote]I really think you're splitting hairs to be honest as far as me using the word "invade" goes.[/quote]Maybe, but I think you're overestimating how much of a threat Chechen separatists are.
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Edited by Swim Good: 4/22/2013 10:11:56 AMI've already said any operation is unlikely and, seeing as how Russia pulled their counter-insurgency forces out of Chechnya in 09, I'm unsure why you think they have such a firm grasp on the region. Especially seeing as how the Caucasian Front has announced independence for the Caucasus Emirate (much in the same was as they announced independence for the whole of Chechnya prior to the 99 campaign) and, as I have said, the Emirate would be the obvious target. And Chechnya only had a declared independence, it was never actually an independent country. The secession was never recognized by Russia who still saw Chechnya as always being very much a part of Russia. There really is no difference between the territory claimed by the forces behind the Caucasus Emirate and the territory that "seceded" prior to the 99 campaign. And I think the recent bombings could hint that the Chechan jihadists could be a greater problem than you think though I guess only time will tell. Anyhoo, I think you're probably one of those people you meet on BNet who can never let it lie and who can never reach a compromise so I'm going to stop this now.
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I don't think the Americans want anything to do with Chechnya. The crap that goes on there almost makes Iraq look civil.
