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Shotguns, generally, are not the best option for home defense. Many states have regulations on minimum barrel lengths, making them too long to be safe or easily used indoors. Check your state's laws first before deciding on purchasing a shotgun for home defense. Remember, usually the length specified is barrel length, not firearm length, so it would likely be a 3ft piece of metal you are swinging around corners. I would recommend finding a local range that offers the ability to rent firearms to use on their course (there's one near my house that allows you to rent any style for $8. Try out several hand guns and see what you like. Generally, you've got two or three options when it comes to caliburs: 9mm, .40 and .45. .45, obviously, is going to give you the most stopping power, but that is gained through sacrificing magazine capacity and reacquisition time (time between firing, managing recoil, and retraining sights). 9mm is a great round for starters, as it offers decent stopping power without tremendous recoil. .40 is obviously in the middle, but I wouldn't necessarily say it's the best of both worlds. Your primary shopping points are going to be what is legal to use in your area (your gun shop and personal research should help with this), your budget, and what feels "right" in your hands. The later is the most important option, as a firearm should be something that is comfortable and easily controlled for safest and most appropriate use. I can't recommend any .40 or .45 handguns, but check out the XD series firearms from Springfield armory. My roommate owns an XDm, and I've always been pretty fond of it.
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  • [quote]Shotguns, generally, are not the best option for home defense. Many states have regulations on minimum barrel lengths, making them too long to be safe or easily used indoors. Check your state's laws first before deciding on purchasing a shotgun for home defense. Remember, usually the length specified is barrel length, not firearm length, so it would likely be a 3ft piece of metal you are swinging around corners.[/quote] Minimum barrel length for shotguns are 18 inches, not the 3 feet you just blurted out. In the picture above is a 12 ga shotgun legal, AFAIK, in all 5o states, with the exception of possibly Commiefornia and Commeticut. A 12 gauge shotgun is one of the most, if not [b]THE[/b] most potent weapon you can have in your home. Considering the wide range of ammo variations from buckshot to slugs, it's also one of the most versatile.

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  • Barrel length is 18". That is the distance of the front end of the bolt, when closed, to the end of the barrel or any permanently attached barrel tip. That does not include the length of the receiver nor the length of the stock, so you are really looking at a minimum weapon length of easily 30" for a shutgun with a stock. I do not recommend a novice firearm owner to purchase a 12ga shotgun without a stock. That shotgun is the KSG by Kaltech; I did a lot of research into it because I want one and almost purchased it. It has a length of 26.1". That does meet the OP's state's laws for minimum barrel length as well as minimum shotgun length (his state's RC dictates that the barrel needs to be 18" minimum AND the overall weapon length needs to be 24"). However, the KSG is known to have cycling issues, especially with individuals who are new to bullpup shotguns. How dare you come into this forum and insinuate that I am just "blurting" out information while you yourself seem to have done little other than a google image search. That is irresponsible, reckless, and more hazardous to the OP's safety.

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  • Edited by GHOST270: 4/9/2013 7:23:02 PM
    [quote]Barrel length is 18". That is the distance of the front end of the bolt, when closed, to the end of the barrel or any permanently attached barrel tip. That does not include the length of the receiver nor the length of the stock, so you are really looking at a minimum weapon length of easily 30" for a shutgun with a stock. I do not recommend a novice firearm owner to purchase a 12ga shotgun without a stock.[/quote] I'm pretty darn sure that [i]Kel-tec[/i] ( Not Kaltech) KSG has a stock, so I'm not sure why you're saying any of this. [quote] That shotgun is the KSG by Kaltech; I did a lot of research into it because I want one and almost purchased it. It has a length of 26.1". That does meet the OP's state's laws for minimum barrel length as well as minimum shotgun length (his state's RC dictates that the barrel needs to be 18" minimum AND the overall weapon length needs to be 24").[/quote] If it meets all the standards for a legal shotgun, y u mad bro? [quote] However, the KSG is known to have cycling issues, especially with individuals who are new to bullpup shotguns.[/quote] Well, as long as you don't short shuck it like a weakling you'll be fine. Work the action like a man and you'll have no problems, like [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxNrX-9P--0]Mr. Hickok here show us.[/url] [quote] How dare you come into this forum and insinuate that I am just "blurting" out information while you yourself seem to have done little other than a google image search. That is irresponsible, reckless, and more hazardous to the OP's safety.[/quote] What, do you expect me to telepathically send the image to other forum goers? By the looks of it you don't have much of an idea what you're talking about yourself, since you generalized an entire class of firearms down to ' a 3 foot length of metal'. Which is funny, considering that most rifles are just as long. Y u angry bro?

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  • You only countered one point I made which was "work the action like a man," which only further emphasizes my point on your lack of firearm and home defense experience, education, and reasoning, nor would I ever recommend a rifle for home defense, so you've managed to make yourself even more wrong despite your best efforts.

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  • Rifles, such as the semi-auto AR style platform, can be great HD weapons, provided you utilize the correct ammunition. I addressed the 'problem' with the KSG, which is improper cycling of the action. People inexperienced with bull-pup designs will short-shuck the action if they're not careful. this is the only problem I've encountered, but with proper range time as one should have with any weapon, such an occurrence should quickly be overcome. All your 'other ' points were simple regurgitation of firearm specifications and laws, something anyone with a computer could do. Your only point was some perceived problem with the weapon itself, which i addressed. I will say I misspoke in my original reply. The 18" length specification was in response to you saying the likelihood of most shotguns being infective and unwieldy with the long length. I showcased the image of a person holding the KSG to display it's compact size, in a point that not all shotguns are too cumbersome or unwieldy.

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    [quote]Minimum barrel length for shotguns are 18 inches, not the 3 feet you just blurted out.[/quote]That's not what he said.

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