someone act's odly like fox news cool story bro , but i only play the games yo

Dat grammar But he's right you know. Greg Bear is a stupid motherfu­cker who doesn't know jack about the Halo series.

It's awfully good fan fiction. Thanks for the input.

The newer novels are crap, and they eviscerate the lore from the games that came before. They're poorly written and spend more time stroking Travis's ego than actually getting a contiguous plot/story moving.

Let's analyze this. [quote]The newer novels are crap[/quote] I think we would have taken a hint if the book was made out of feces. It seems to be made out of something completely different for me- a wood composite named paper. [quote]and they eviscerate the lore from the games that came before.[/quote] [url]http://halo.bungie.net/projects/reach/default.aspx[/url] No they don't. They're tying in events from the first trilogy and third trilogy while expanding it using a classic, hard sci fi writer's take on the universe. They're among the most brilliantly realized additions to the series, and perhaps if you pay attention instead of spewing hate out of your a$$, you would be able to appreciate the universe building that takes place in them. [quote]They're poorly written[/quote] WOW! You've done an objective analysis of all three of the Forerunner trilogy and come to the conclusion that Greg Bear has written three consistently bad books? I [I]need[/I] to see this. [quote]and spend more time stroking Travis's ego[/quote] While I agree that Traviss is a poor choice of writer, she has absolutely nothing to do with this new trilogy. Please [I]check your sh1t to make sure it doesn't seem like you're pulling stuff out of your a$$[/I]. Which I'm sad to say, it does. [quote] than actually getting a contiguous plot/story moving.[/quote] Every single one of Bungie's books was either a side story or there to fill in random things they didn't explain in game (JOHNSON CAN NEVER BE KILLED EH? EH? [I]EH?[/I]). 343 is actually focusing on building their universe and backing up the plot that they express in game with them. They're connecting things from the past trilogy and the new trilogy, creating political and scientific stages for the future games to take place in, and no doubt foreshadowing things that we can't even imagine yet. Stop your incessant hating, get off your a$$, and think for once.

I do "get off my ass and think" all the time. I base my opinion of what is well written by comparing any newer novels against the likes of Tolstoy, Poe, Lovecraft, King, Twain, etc. Frankly, your claim of "tying in to" the previous trilogy is slipshod and poorly done, and the writing/storytelling style is lazy and as overly filled with pointless drama as a show on the Disney Channel. Also, I do believe that Greg Bear has done a poor job of writing these "novels" (read: fan fiction), and the individuals at Microsoft/343 in charge of giving him a direction to take the story have done nothing but force him to suck on Travis's bleeding teat so that they don't have to admit that they horribly mangled the Halol universe.

[quote]I do "get off my ass and think" all the time. I base my opinion of what is well written by comparing any newer novels against the likes of Tolstoy, Poe, Lovecraft, King, Twain, etc.[/quote] So your perception of quality is based off a comparison to classic writers? It's possible to compare many narratives to works by the authors you've mentioned and show that they aren't as well written. Does that mean that they're [I]badly[/I] written? No. Anybody who objectively compares, say, Robert J. Sawyer's Hominids series to Asiimov's I, Robot will most probably reach the conclusion that Sawyer's work is not as well written. Does that mean that the Hominids series is [I]bad[/I]? No. The stories are still very well written, juggling multiple plotlines of varying complexity extremely well without deterring from the overall structure of the narrative, and they possess incredibly depth from a content based viewpoint. Similarly to this, Bear's Forerunner trilogy [I]clearly[/I] shows faults when compared to, say, Lovecraft's works. Does that mean that the story is bad? No. Your opinion is not wrong, as that is impossible, but the method you used to come to it [I]is[/I]. [quote] Frankly, your claim of "tying in to" the previous trilogy is slipshod and poorly done, and the writing/storytelling style is lazy and as overly filled with pointless drama as a show on the Disney Channel. [/quote] My claim is poorly done? Is that so? Please elaborate. [quote] and the writing/storytelling style is lazy[/quote] The writing style is lazy? How can a method used to tell a story be [I]lazy[/I]? Ignoring that part of your claim, the writing style is perfectly fine in the realm of classic hard sci fi, done in the same style as Bear's previous novels, such as his entry into the Foundation series. He shifts from viewpoint to viewpoint for Silentium- necessary to structure the plot and properly build the rising action in a story with as large a scale as Silentium. His descriptions are also excellent (see The Battle for the Capital from Cryptum). [quote] Also, I do believe that Greg Bear has done a poor job of writing these "novels" (read: fan fiction), [/quote] There is no [I]I[/I] in objective analysis. Writing [I]quality[/I] is not opinionated. Also, let's take a moment to look up the definition of fan fiction. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanfiction]Fan fiction (alternatively referred to as fan-fiction, fanfiction, fanfic, FF, or simply fic) is a broadly-defined fan labor term for stories about characters or settings written by fans of the original work, rather than by the original creator.[/url] If Greg Bear's works are fan-fiction, then Nylund, Dietz, and all the other authors Bungie brought in who did not have a part in writing Halo CE are all fan fiction writers. It also seems like you are using fan fiction as a derogatory term. The context here is writing quality, so by extension, you are implying that fan fiction is not written well. This is absolutely untrue- and has been proven to me time and time again after viewing countless Mass Effect 3 rewrites that were scores better than the actual narrative (and not just ending rewrites). [quote] and the individuals at Microsoft/343 in charge of giving him a direction to take the story have done nothing[/quote] If you're smart, you'll probably be exclaiming that I'm quote-mining you right now. Unfortunately, you'd be wrong. What you added does pretty much nothing to change the meaning of this statement except perhaps reinforce it. If Microsoft and 343 have not given Bear a direction to take the story, why did he consistently use the same overall direction for the Forerunner saga? Why did Halo 4 take the same direction as this? It seems that Microsoft and 343 have done an excellent job of directing the story, considering they aren't pulling stuff out of their a$$es anymore like Bungie did (lolguizedunwurryJohnson'salive and lolguizelet'smakeagamecalledReach). [quote] but force him to suck on Travis's bleeding teat[/quote] How many times are you going to dodge this question? What the hell does Traviss have to do with any of this? Let's look at your logic. Party A hires Division A. (Microsoft hiring Bear) Party A hires Division B. (Microsoft hiring Traviss) Division A does the job it's intended to. (Bear writing Forerunner saga) Division B does job it's intended to. (Traviss writing Post-War trilogy) Therefore, Division A is forced to submit to Division B and Division A's quality adversely suffers. [I]Masterful[/I] logic. Also, you should really spell her name correctly in a debate about writing quality. [quote] so that they don't have to admit that they horribly mangled the Halol universe.[/quote] The used of the word Halol in this case does not mean what you intended it to. This implies that your opinion was that the Halo universe was always Halol, which you have shown that you don't believe. The past-tense of mangled in this case means that 343 came in and ruined the series lore. Precisely how? You haven't been able to pull a single example, or make a single valid point throughout this debate. All you've managed to do is make vague, absolute statements that haven't proved much of anything but the fact that your logic is flawed at almost every turn. You're right, you do think. But after this, I'm not sure that your thinking is good.

That... That was so beautiful.

FEEL THE NECRO But yeah, I'm pretty much done defending Halo 4 nowadays. Not because I don't like Halo 4, but because I've realized it's a fruitless effort trying to convince people that their opinions aren't fact.