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3/12/2013 4:42:44 AM
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I'll stop hating on religious people when they get the hell out of politics.
Stop making legislation that follows rules in some ancient text, some guidelines that are supposed to get you into the afterlife when there is more than likely only one. Stop messing up my only life for the sake of your theoretical second one.
Untill that happens i will point out obvious flaws in their religion.
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So every politician should be an atheist?
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No not at all, he should simply support or not support a piece of legislation based on logical reasoning as opposed to any sort of religious text.
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[quote]I'll stop hating on religious people when they get the hell out of politics.[/quote] What if I was a homophobic, anti-abortion, conservative atheist?
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Then i would be able to defeat each one of those in turn with simple logic. you would be a cake walk.
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Logic? Alright, me first. I think that sexual practices that end your genetic line are biologically wrong, seeing as it is not genetic(gays don't pro-create), it must be a mutation, we should study this, and discover the cause. Then figure out a way to end it, non-violently of course. Murder is defined as the illegal killing of a human by another, a fetus is human(being part of the species Homo Sapian), abortion is murder I think that people should fend for themselves, I am not under an obligation to help someone else whom does not wish to help themselves.
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Edited by DocSmurf: 3/12/2013 5:13:31 AM[quote]I think that sexual practices that end your genetic line are biologically wrong, seeing as it is not genetic(gays don't pro-create), it must be a mutation, we should study this, and discover the cause. Then figure out a way to end it, non-violently of course.[/quote] Homosexuality is found in over 100 species and is not given an obvious social stigma in any of them, homophobia is only found in humans. It is to each his own. If someone earthier chooses to have, or is predisposed to have homosexual relations that is infact their business. And seeing as how marriage is a legal contract by definition and any person or persons may enter into a legal contract. Stopping gay marriage is in theory a violation of contract rights. Not to mention it falls under pursuit of happiness. [quote] Murder is defined as the illegal killing of a human by another, a fetus is human(being part of the species Homo Sapian), abortion is murder [/quote] Actually its definition is one Person killing another, And under the 14th amendment Personhood is only given to those BORN or SOVEREIGN to a territory, A fetus is neither. Thus abortion does not qualify as murder. Secondly a fetus takes up a considerable amount of resources and must be carried to alteast the third trimester for a good chance of survival. It is the mothers choice to terminate before this point. plus the fact that a fetus isn't sentient until the middle of the second trimester. in the most detached of terms your firing an empty shell.
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1) Humans are the race advanced enough to create a sense of right and wrong(for this particular scenario), suicide isn't given a social stigma in those societies either. Also, your posts assumes that I'm in the US. Why does the US get all the fun? I could be in a country without those rights. Also, you like definitions huh? mar·riage /ˈmarij/ Noun The formal union of a [b]man[/b] and a [b]woman,[/b] typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife. 2)Let me move back to your side(well, our side really, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate for the sake of an argument) you could also said that murder is defined as illegal killing of a person by another(the true definition). A place where Abortion is legal would not make it murder. Now, back to my fake side, again, this depends on the location of said place. I may not even be in America. US isn't the only one having a problem with this sort of thing.
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Edited by DocSmurf: 3/12/2013 5:31:00 AMMarriage (also called matrimony or wedlock) is a social union or legal contract between people called spouses that establishes rights and obligations between the spouses. [quote] legal contract[/quote] I rest my case I only bother arguing points in the terms of the laws of my land. U.S. This is the only place it matters to me. Also i would argue that suicide is not wrong, All humans are brought into this world without consent. It is their choice to leave it at their leisure. Who are we to judge.
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Edited by K1lLL ST3AL: 3/12/2013 5:35:17 AMWe are now going definition vs definition. Interesting. Marriage The legal status, condition, or relationship that results from a contract by which one [b]man [/b]and one [b]woman[/b], who have the capacity to enter into such an agreement, mutually promise to live together in the relationship of Husband and Wife in law for life, or until the legal termination of the relationship. Now, we have a legal definition, which is violating a couple of other legal definitions. What do? Also, excellent retaliation on the suicide subject.
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Edited by DocSmurf: 3/12/2013 5:36:44 AMLegalities are often drawn as tightly as possible. Definitions expand with time. In fact going by property rights and contracts, defining any type of contract to a certain gender or combination there of is wrong, since all persons have the right to contracts and your definition lists marriage as a legal contract. By that logic Confining The legal contract of marriage to only a man and a women is in of itself illegal. That legal definition will fall with DOMA, at least that's what i think
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Interesting, so, what about clones(yes, we do have that capability, no one has attempt a full human before)? Do they qualify as people? They are made, not born.
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Edited by DocSmurf: 3/12/2013 5:45:41 AMwell... In theory they would belong to a territory once they are out of whatever medium they were grown in. Beyond that, I honestly have no idea how that would go over with the general populous.
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Yeah, you think gay marriage a shit storm, wait until this happens. So, are you for the cloning of human beings? Personally, I think the social complications would be, interesting.
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Edited by DocSmurf: 3/12/2013 5:49:39 AMhehe just wait till someone clones them self and then tries to marry themselves..,
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Incest would be the primary problem.
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So would you still hate me despite my beliefs coming from myself, rather than a deity?
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Edited by DocSmurf: 3/12/2013 5:01:03 AMWell your a little off there, I hate people that use the bible as the reason for gay marriage being wrong. ( among other things ) The argument would go like this. You being an atheist would have to produce some logical reasoning for not allowing gay marriage. On the other hand a Theist would simply say, This book says so so that's the way it is. Even though they don't lead out that way that is their ultimate fall back when all of their other reasons fail, as they always do. So you i could beat in an argument. A theist I could not. Because their final argument is illogical and outside of reason.
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[quote]You being an atheist would have to produce some logical reasoning for not allowing gay marriage.[/quote] You do not think it is possible for an atheist to oppose homosexuality without reason? One could have the audacity to claim homosexuality is wrong because he and he alone thinks so.
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Then all you have to do is point out they have no reason and move on with your life. Much as you do with a theist. At least he was a big enough man to say. This is just what i think as opposed to this fairy tale book says so.
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this, we'll stop when they stop.
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Edited by DocSmurf: 3/12/2013 4:57:32 AMYour the ones with your hands squarely in places they don't belong, both in politics and the pants of little alter boys. yeah, i went there. But in all seriousness. If you could prove there was some giant sky god that wants us to live a certain way then maybe it would be worth some consideration, But you cant. I just run under the assumption that it isn't there until some form of measurement can be taken. The burden of proof is squarely in the corner of the Theists. I don't have to disprove god anymore than i have to disprove unicorns.
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I'm on your side dingus, I was agreeing with you.
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sorry that sentence could go either way :)
