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3/4/2013 10:32:55 PM
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This flies in the face of the Germans alive then who said they didn't know what was going on. Bullshit. Nearly 25,000 camps or ghettos and no one had a clue? All of Germany was complicit in war crimes. Every man woman and child.
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I don't think you can say that. You weren't there so... yeah. Maybe a lot did know but you can't say all of them knew.
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Because the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] were very good at propaganda and didnt make it seem that bad. They actually had camps treat the prisoners somewhat nicely for inspections only to be killed after the inspections were over. Im sure they really didnt know what was going on because who was looking for it when they were being told it was fine. However Im sure anyone who did try to uncover the truth were probably killed themselves.
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Learn to history.
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I know this is a sensitive topic for you, but look at this way. If they did say no, they got killed. It's simple as that. It takes a lot of courage to stand up to a dictator, an amount which the majority of your ordinary citizen didn't have.
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The National Socialists couldn't have got to power unless the German people consented. They knew what he had planned and no one did say anything, except some students, who were quickly beheaded. The attempts on Hitler's life weren't because what he was doing was wrong, either, they were because the generals thought (correctly) that he would lose the war. The very sad fact is that no one gave a damn about the holocaust until they were told they had been caught. And Germany doesn't bear this blame alone. Very few countries in Europe are blame free. Very few. The French had their Jews, Gypsies and Homosexuals already in trains when the Germans arrived. I'm not making that up. They were already in cattle cars and ready to go to the death camps. Think about that. French troops were STILL fighting, and the police was rounding up people to go to Auschwitz.
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[quote]They knew what he had planned and no one did say anything, except some students, who were quickly beheaded .[/quote] Kinda proves my point
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Not really, because the students were the only ones.
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Someone who spoke out against what they did were killed. You think they were gonna speak out?
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Edited by RighteousTyrant: 3/4/2013 10:38:34 PMDrones. So are you. Now what?
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Indeed. But a case can be made for using drones. What possible case is there for ethnic cleansing? Look, as Americans we have a good deal of blood on our hands, and we will be washing it away for generations. The last living American will still be scrubbing away... But Germany? They should STILL feel shame at what their fathers and grandfathers did. The entire country knew that it was doing this, and the crime so horrendous it should never be forgotten.
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That isn't fair at all. Germans should not feel shame for what there grand fathers did, they don't need to keep being reminded of what happened because they know, best thing to do is realize what Germany has become now, an extremely stable wealthy country that has recovered just the same as every other involved in the war. Don't keep shoving them into the dirt because of what happened years ago. Also it is extremely unfair to say the entire country knew, because they didn't. I can also guarantee you all of the soldiers in the German army didn't support ethnic cleansing either, nor knew about it. I can understand if you had a family member or a relative affected by it, but to just say an entire country should still be being shamed and punished for something they had no control over (the population now i mean) is ridiculous. It was a disgusting horrible event and most Germans probably did know it but honestly what were they to do in that type of situation? The world needs to move on and learn from it, not keep the same grudge. The Germans now are different people from back then.
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Or better yet, why isn't Russia apologizing anyone for what they did to everyone?
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What, do I have to include an exhaustive list to make my statement accurate? The thread is about Germans, I am calling the Germans out on it. I am an American, and showing that I own some of that too. I could go on and on about what crimes against humanity were committed by whom. We could talk about the Japanese in China, or how about Pol Pot... Maybe we can round about with Africa... Or we could just talk about what's in the thread.
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Russians have committed way more war crimes than Germans, that's what's relevant.
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No, they knew. Did you see the numbers of camps in the OP? THAT MANY, and they didn't know? Come on. Look, I am not saying the US is above it. We aren't. We will be paying for slavery for generations still, no matter how butt hurt the tards act in response to my saying it. We still owe every person who was descended from slavery. The Germans owe the Jews, the Roma and every family member of a homosexual or communist that was killed then.
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No i understand the thing about the U.S. i can understand what horrible things we have done as well, there is definitely blood on our hands. We probably shouldn't argue about this because i definitely agree with most of what you are saying, however i can't condemn an entire country for it. I understand your point of view though, i am not ignorant to it.
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[quote]But a case can be made for using drones. What possible case is there for ethnic cleansing? [/quote]The case that was made is well-documented, I believe. As is ours. It doesn't matter. Evil is always perceived as good in the eye of the evil-doer. Of course we think a case can be made. How does that case stand up when you're explaining it to the family of the men, women, and children whose wedding was just blown up by a Hellfire missile (fired from a Predator or perhaps Reaper drone, and BTW has anyone noticed the names of these things are especially freaking morbid?)? [quote]But Germany? They should STILL feel shame at what their fathers and grandfathers did. The entire country knew that it was doing this, and the crime so horrendous it should never be forgotten.[/quote]So the sins of the father pass to the son, then, in your view? Suffice to say I disagree, but if you're right, well, we Americans also have much to be shameful for then. Nevertheless, I hear that there is still a great deal of national shame present there, though I've not been to experience it myself.
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Look, I'm not going to argue that drones are bad. But comparing the use of an inaccurate weapons system to the systematic ethnic cleansing of a continent... The two don't even compare. Its like saying the Chevy Malibu is a comparable car to a M1 Abrams because both get shitty gas mileage.
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The two only differ on a matter of scale. And if you think that has any moral relevance, well, I don't really know what to say to that.
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No, you know better than that. Then you could say that the cop killer guy in LA is no different that Hitler, after all, its only a matter of scale. Don't cheapen the holocaust by saying the tens of thousands who have died by drones even compare to the over 25 million who died in the camps.
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True. We use a much greater amount of discretion (though, to be fair, one can say this about any amount that is > 0) and believe we have a specific purpose to be killing our targets for alleged terrorism, as opposed to having a general purpose for wholesale slaughter. I suppose that does count for something. But we're still killing innocents, and that counts for something as well.
