The Book of Marty was better.

Post this book.

Marty does not operate with physical books child. You must hear him, and then the words will fly into your brain.

Then it's not a book?...

It's an audiobook.

How so?

Because it was a blatant fairy tale that contradicts all historical, archaeological, and even logical evidence. The fact that there are people in the world who believe it is more likely that Native Americans have dark skin because they are cursed by God and that huge empires of Jews sprouted up on the North American continent (who got there in huge pots that floated over from China), only to be annihilated to the point that no trace is found at any point on the continent, than it is that Joseph Smith was just a looney fraud is frankly worrying.

How did an Illiterate farm boy come up with this then, exactly? I don't think a farmer has what it takes to write such a novel?

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_of_Joseph_Smith]Joseph Smith was not illiterate. He could read before he was 12.[/url] Assuming for a minute that that fact didn't exist, and he couldn't read. Your counterpoint consists of the following: "God revealed a supernatural account to a random guy in New York that contradicts facts." Is that really what you want to stand on here, or do you want to step back and try again?

Why would you ever use wikipedia as a source? Anyways, I knew he could read and write. But not on this level. I don't think you know what it would take to write such a thing. 'Come up" with everything and somehow tie it all together? Given the time he had, could you, the great and powerful Harlow accomplish this? No, you couldn't. Because you don't have god with you.

Because Wikipedia is a source. Don't be that guy. You just said he was illiterate. Was he illiterate, or could he read and write? On what level are you referring to? A long rambling story about two races of people spawned from Chinese Jews that lived in pots as they miraculously floated across the largest ocean in the world? Please explain what is miraculous about the Book of Mormon, because I've read the whole thing, and it is a bigger clusterfu­ck of pure nonsense and pointless tales than both the King James Bible and The God Delusion.

I'll try not to be. But if you try to go into a debate with wiki as your source you'll get laughed at. It's hardly credible. But all I read was a whole lot of opinion and no fact. He was literate. But, he was a farm boy with no background for writing books. With having no experience whatsoever he wrote the book of Mormon. How can this be explained? The gold plates, he translated them into English(with the help of god) In the chest where Joesph found the plates there was the Ureum and thumum( I have no bloody idea how to spell that) With these he translated the ancient language into English. All made possible by god.

I won't be laughed at by anyone who actually knows about Wikipedia. It is information obtained from scholarly articles and similar sources. Complaining about Wikipedia will get you laughed at. He had never written a book before and he wrote one and that is some miracle? Are you reading what you're typing here? It is just as easy for me, a person that has never completed a full work, to write an entire book and claim that it's supernaturally inspired. That makes no sense whatsoever. I don't care if he'd never written a book before, and the fact that this was his first book does not mean it was a miracle. There's nothing to be explained at all. Why'd he have to get rid of the gold plates? Wouldn't it be a help to his bizarre (and historically inaccurate) claims if he'd just kept the plates and shown them to more than just a few random people (whom he only claims saw the plates, so this narrows down the account again to just one man)? There are no plates. There was no translation. There was no curse from God on the Native Americans. There were no Chinese Jews floating across miles of ocean in pots to start civilizations that flourished for years. What the Book of Mormon is is a fantasy book written by a fraud and/or looney toon who had no idea that archaeological evidence would later, objectively, prove him to be one. And that's exactly what this boils down to. You are welcome to remain a Christian, because the resurrection of Christ cannot be disproved. But if you state that you agree with the "history" of the Book of Mormon, you are wrong. That isn't my opinion versus your opinion, it is a fact. Jews did not come over to America, they did not build enormous cities, they did not get completely wiped out to the very last person right before white man came over. That is a fact, and to deny it is to deny the earth revolves around the sun.

Harlow, I'll be honest with you. I don't necessarily believe in the book of mormon. But I do believe in god through and through. If god wants me to believe it, I'll give it a try. So I've been reading it. I don't know anything for a fact, no one does. Because no one was there. So, I just got to have faith in it. Faith is what religion is about. Faith in god.

Actually we do know things for a fact. That's kind of the thing about living in reality.