originally posted in:Sapphire
I think what people misunderstand about the FSA is that it's more of a conglomerate than an actual cohesive movement, similar to the freedom fighters that fought against the Soviet Union during the 80s. Now, what everyone is getting up in arms about is the fact that when we did this before, many members ended up joining the Taliban and A.Q., which is what we're worried about now.
However, Afghanistan is not entirely applicable to Syria, in my opinion. Different enemy, different war. The reality is that as I said before, there exists a wide variety of groups and movements within the FSA that lean either indifferent towards the US or are secular. Sure, they may be the minority, but they exist nonetheless. What the United States needs to do is fund these groups so that they WON'T go to A.Q. Remember, a lot of FSA factions have publicly stated that they would only go to extremist groups if they had to, but they'd prefer to deal with the West. In Syria, we're dealing with a sizable westernnally oriented youth bulge, which don't want to see their country fall into the hands of extremists, or worse, collapse into a state of prolonged civil war, like Afghanistan did following the power void left by the D.R.A.'s death.
As Baph said, there also exists the option for the United States to just let the Syrians deal with this themselves. Many people argue that sizable intervention would tip the sectarian pot over, creating an even bloodier and unstable Middle East. Certainly, this is a valid point. However, I think it's a point that the U.S. shouldn't base its policies on. Wether we like it or not, Syria will continue to devolve. What we need to do is create or at least attempt to create an environment that will not harbor feelings of anti-western animosity, at least not to the extent to which it manifests itself to militantism.
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>We get involved -> Go away America, get out of the Middle East, we hate you (Iraq) >We don't get involved -> Please help us America, come into out country, we need you (Syria) I'm thinking that it's probably not possible to decrease anti-American sentiment because no matter what move you take, people are going to be butthurt. The reason extremist groups are able to exist is for two main reasons: lawlessness (in parts of the Middle East) and the low illiteracy rate.
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Edited by Diplomat: 2/22/2013 4:51:43 PM[quote]>We get involved -> Go away America, get out of the Middle East, we hate you (Iraq)[/quote] Yes, because invading a country over nuclear weapons they didn't have and subsequently plunging them into a bloody civil war is a great example of American policy in the Middle Eastern region. /sarcasm Let's give an example, though, of American intervention which resulted in positive feelings within the Arab world. Why don't we take the Tanker War during the 80s, where we protected Kuwaiti, Saudi, and other G.C.C. shipping from the mess that was resulting from the Iran-Iraq War, which helped cement our relations with those respective countries, and ultimately increased our image in the Arab world. The First Gulf War is another example of U.S. policy producing positive Western sediment. Oh, almost forgot, the Libyan government is pretty pro-West. They've completely supported our aims at ending radicalism in their country, especially after Benghazi. But I suppose that Libya is technically in Africa... but w/e [quote]The reason extremist groups are able to exist is for two main reasons: lawlessness (in parts of the Middle East) and the low illiteracy rate.[/quote] The fact that we subjected the Middle East economically for a few decades doesn't help the whole, "THE U.S. IS CRUSADERS TAKING AWAY OUR ISLAMIDNESS!!!!!!1111!!!!" undertones. But yes, you generally are correct. Instability and poor educational systems are among the chief reasons extremism is allowed to flourish in South Asia, Africa, and the Middle East. The job of the global hegemon is to try and foster a world void of these aspects.
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Edited by Dustin: 2/22/2013 11:24:09 AMdouble post derp