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Edited by lonepaul2441:
2/1/2013 9:21:45 PM
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Sorry Foman but no used sales are not bad for the industry, far from it actually. You'll probably complain about the consumers, well take it up with Gamestores which are the ones preventing that cash going to developers.
Used games = bigger audience who could go onto buy DLC (Money goes to developers) for example and since you can buy season passes now without the disk, how is used games a problem now?
Also I pirated a game (Worse that used games apparently) and I enjoyed it and bought the game on Steam so the developers got my money. So there is no problem its just companies crying over nothing and using any excuse to squeeze money out of its customers. Remember EA is trying it has no money and yet Bioware are releasing free DLC for multiplayer, oh yes microtransactions another money making scheme.
How ever I don't agree with valve since PC games use CD-Keys and reselling the game would mean re-selling the CD key which somebody has already used which is why you cannot trade them into a shop after you open the seal.
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Edited by FoMan123: 2/1/2013 9:51:26 PM[quote]Used games = bigger audience who could go onto buy DLC (Money goes to developers) for example and since you can buy season passes now without the disk, how is used games a problem now?[/quote]You've got your logic tangled up. If the gamer who bought the "used" game would happily buy the DLC, then he or she would have also bought the game new after time had passed and there were price reductions to meet market demand. Economics 101. Furthermore, I find it amusing that you argue that used games are good for the industry by specifically pointing out the economic benefits to developers of DRM-protected DLC. [quote]Also I pirated a game (Worse that used games apparently) and I enjoyed it and bought the game on Steam so the developers got my money. [/quote]Yeah, you're still a thief. And I have zero doubt that you have pirated numerous other pieces of media and software without buying it. And furthermore, what the hell does this have to do with anything anyway? You're just using this opportunity to go on the usual "EA is evil" rant. Vote with your wallet by not buying it. Like a normal person.
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Tell you what if you can figure this out, then sure im a thief. I can record a film/TV show/Series 100% legally off the TV, but its illegal to download it. If I have say..Pokemon Red and I lose the game I can legally download a ROM and use an emulator on the fact that I can prove I owned the game. Now if I go into a shop to get another copy for free i'll be thrown in jail. You can legally record music but you cannot download it without paying for it, but also you can just go on youtube on your Iphone and anything else. So please explain this bullshit because as far as im concerned the law does not make sense. Also I like how you would call a Swedish person a thief despite piracy being 100% legal in Sweden.
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[quote]I can record a film/TV show/Series 100% legally off the TV, but its illegal to download it.[/quote]In the first scenario, you have already paid for the content, either because it is free (with commercials) or because you've paid for HBO or premium cable or whatever. Furthermore, you're recording it for personal use. In the second scenario, you're dealing with distribution to another person, which is illegal not just for software, but also with all forms of media -- even if you legally possessed the recording for your own use at first. [quote]If I have say..Pokemon Red and I lose the game I can legally download a ROM and use an emulator on the fact that I can prove I owned the game. Now if I go into a shop to get another copy for free i'll be thrown in jail.[/quote]This is a ridiculous hypothetical but I'll address it anyway. A retailer is not required to reimburse you from his own inventory just because you can prove that you owned the game at one point in time. Recall that the retailer has bought the game from the game publisher too and is the owner of that particular package. If you take it from him, you're stealing, just like if you went over to your friend's house and took his copy of the game, even if you already had bought your copy. [quote]You can legally record music but you cannot download it without paying for it, but also you can just go on youtube on your Iphone and anything else.[/quote]Again, distribution vs. recordings for personal use. Re YouTube, those are artists putting their own content online and reaping financial benefits (from advertising dollars) when you listen. [quote]Also I like how you would call a Swedish person a thief despite piracy being 100% legal in Sweden.[/quote]Maybe if you're in a time machine. Sweden has one of the harshest anti-piracy laws in the world, and it's been in place for years. So in conclusion, yeah, you're a thief.
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[quote] Also I pirated a game (Worse that used games apparently) and I enjoyed it and bought the game on Steam so the developers got my money. So there is no problem its just companies crying over nothing [citation needed] and using any excuse to squeeze money out of its customers.[/quote]And implying that season passes aren't an excuse to squeeze money out of customers
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That was an example I used of companies getting money from used games, by gamers with used games buying season pass's which is why EA started adding them in the 1st place.
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You say that season passes are good, but piracy complaints are "crying over nothing." I'm so glad that your one instance of paying for a game you previously pirated proves that every pirate does that.
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Many people use pirated software as a bloody big demo, some people download an album if they like it then they buy it. Some people will download a film if they like it then they buy it same with video games. Heck if somebody pirates a game, enjoys it and doesn't buy that particular game the chances of them buy the next one is pretty high. Trust me it's true, remember in some countries pirating is perfectly fine and legal and I don't see Hollywood collapsing even though they said VHS records would destroy the industry or the music industry complaining about tape recorders. Its now the video game industries turn to complain about piracy which is more plausible but no hard evidence to suggest pirating and used games are hurting the industry. Many indie developers actually like the fact their games are pirated, its free advertisement and those players could actually buy the game. It works for the big fish as well as the little fish.
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I'd say 90% of the time, pirates don't pay for the game. That's at least as valid as whatever you're saying. The game Crysis has been pirated over 4 million times, and has not sold that much.
