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Edited by dr0cx: 1/24/2013 9:33:10 PM
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You stole my thoughts, in that stigmatizing individuals leads to mental issues. Aggressively assaulting someone's already fragile self image will most certainly lead to depression problems. I want to believe that Daniel Callahan is hoping that the shaming will lead to suicide, fat people culling their own herd. This shit pisses me off. People like this look at an obese person and judge them instantly. She's not hot enough, he's a couch potato, they must eat a ton and do nothing but watch TV. These people have no idea if or how that person is trying to get healthy. They have no clue if they suffer from a thyroid or some other ailment. They think it is easy to simply stop eating so damned much and exercise for at least an hour a day. Part of the problem is our diet. We eat food that is bad for us because it is what we can afford. When our monthly food budget forces us to decide between a month on canned food, budget meats, and other cheap ingredients, or a weeks worth of healthy foods from a whole foods market, we tend to go with what we can afford. What about the activity side of the equation? We work at least 8 hours a day at "Some Corporation", few of which provide an onsite exercise facility, calculate in a commute, help children with homework, get children to sports practice and or boyscouts or other extracurricular activities, and before you fu­cking know it 9:30 PM is ticking off and you haven't had a moment to yourself. What we need is cooperation between employers and the health of their workers. A [url=http://www.cdc.gov/workplacehealthpromotion/businesscase/benefits/productivity.html]healthy workforce is more productive[/url], so employers should hire onsite certified conditioning and nutrition experts while maintaining a fitness facility, or if that isn't possible subsidize memberships to gyms, or even subsidize products like [url=http://www.fitbit.com/]fitbit [/url]. Employers with onsite cafeterias should lower food prices and serve a higher % of healthy foods while leaving the burgers, fries, and pizza at normal prices. But mostly, that 15 minute smoke break you get every 4 hours should be converted to a 15 minute walking break every 2 hours. Given that activity and healthy eating improves workforce productivity, reduces turnover, and saves money from insurance plans, it is an investment that returns. Frankly, it is stupid not to. EDIT: Then there is the "how do we eat" question. For the most part, we eat when we are hungry, bored, or participating in some social venue where eating is encouraged. Over the deacdes "marketing" has shown that larger portions are more desirable, and a plate with no empty space is preferred. What portion of the layman actually knows how often they should eat, what they should be eating, and what the portion size ought to be? I doubt it is a significant portion. The ignorant should be educated, not shamed. EDIT2: This topic rustled my jimmies.
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  • I work at a store part time and they give WAY higher discounts to their employees on healthy food. Like 70% off high. And they do a free yearly health screening if you work a certain number of hours that year. But even though they do this more than half of the employees there are still -blam!-ing obese. They still buy that junk food or less healthy food cause they can. I think because they're not being told they need to fix their habits, cause it might hurt their wittle feelings, and THAT needs to stop. Stop thinking they're going to kill themselves if you even utter the word "excersise" around them. I told by friend, who was too damn obese, to "get off your fatass and come with me to the gym". Sometimes you need to slap the horse on the behind to get him to run. My friend lost well over 100 lbs since he started coming to the gym, he has a gf, and he'll probably live a much longer life cause he's not morbidly obese now.

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  • Friends bust each others balls every day, that is expected. I'm talking about Aggressively assaulting a strangers already fragile self image. It's no secret that depression and obesity are linked. And with strangers you have no idea if they can take it. But let's be honest, aggressively verbally assaulting an obese person is a completely different thing than saying, "get off your fatass and come with me to the gym". You don't know if they are already going to the gym and eating healthy or not. Results don't come overnight.

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  • I know that. I'm just thinking that making it seem okay to be fat isn't the right thing either. I think we...shouldn't tax healthy foods as much as junk food; level the playing field for the guys actually making something good for society.

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  • Who is making is seem that it is OK to be fat? There is another way to look at it: you can't make other peoples choices for them. Being obese is the result of not caring (life choice), genetics (not a choice), or some other defect disease or malady that makes activity nigh impossible (not a choice). Intentionally stigmatizing people might help few, but will harm far more. The only things that can be done is increase accessibility to information, healthy foods, and exercise facilities. When healthy foods and gym memberships are prohibitively expensive, those who can't afford it have only once chose to improvise with the information they have available.

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  • [quote]There is another way to look at it: you can't make other peoples choices for them. Being obese is the result of not caring (life choice), genetics (not a choice), or some other defect disease or malady that makes activity nigh impossible (not a choice). [/quote] So you're saying leave them alone cause we "can't make other peoples choices for them"? That's absurd. You basicly are saying that if they can't motivate themselves we shouldn't try to motivate them? Whether it be a life choice, genetics, or defect, doesn't mean they're [i]destined[/i] to becoming obese. You don't have legs to walk? [url=http://thinklink.in/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/mult1.jpg]Bitch please[/url] If they can't eat healthy food due to price, don't super size the BigMac god damn it! You don't need the milkshake. Or that 44oz soda! Don't just totally throw it out the window when you "must" buy fast food to survive. Just because you are given genes that make it easier for you to become obese doesn't mean you should make it some sort of self-fullfilling prophesy.

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  • Edited by dr0cx: 1/28/2013 4:59:23 PM
    1. You can’t tell how healthy someone is just by looking at them. 2. You can’t tell how much someone eats or exercises just by looking at them. 3. Even if you could, it’s none of your business anyway. Keep the fat shaming to your friends and family. Or keep it on with strangers. Just don't be surprised if you find a fist in your mouth. The only thing you can tell for sure by looking at a fat person is the degree of your own bias against fat people.

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  • Edited by dr0cx: 1/28/2013 4:30:44 PM
    Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying, and this is in direct regard to [u][i][b]strangers[/b][/i][/u]. It's absurd that you think you know better than a stranger how that stranger should and can live their life within the bounds they have available. It's also absurd that you think you can see an obese person and assume that they must not be eating healthy or exercising. You don't know if that person has already lost tens or hundreds of lbs and is already on the way. Talk to your friends and family however you like. Just don't presume to know a complete strangers situation from only a glance. Furthermore your "bitch please" pic intentionally dismisses hip displasia, arthritis, and other joint maladies that prosthesis simply can't fix. [quote]If they can't eat healthy food due to price, don't super size the BigMac god damn it! [/quote]What a wonderful stereotype. And you are wrong for each obese person that doesn't eat fast food.

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  • The key point here is this: "Intentionally stigmatizing people might help few, but will harm far more."

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  • I got that point Seggi, I was arguing about his subpoints.

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  • And you focused in on fast food by assumption, I never mentioned it as the cheap alternative. People who can't afford healthy food would be making a poor financial decision to waste time and money on fast food. I'm talking about the lack of a healthy food option at your discount grocers.

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