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1/19/2013 3:52:33 AM
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I don't really understand why God wouldn't just waste his ass, unless there's some "maintaining balance of good and evil" mumbo jumbo. He's omnipotent, he should turn him into a frog and poop in his mailbox. That'd be funny as hell.
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It is a balance. Good needs to be balanced out by evil. In the same way, hot and cold balance each other, up down, left right, forward backward, man woman, wet dry, fire water etc... Things are what they are by their relations with other things. But that's taking a Daoist approach.
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Satan isnt the ultimate cause of evil. Humans do evil on their own. God doesnt even seem like a force of good for most of the bible but a force of nature. And nature can be a dick.
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Well, if we are talking about Christian doctrine, yes humans do evil on their own. But because of the mistake of Adam and Eve. They fell prey to Lucifer's influence, ate the forbidden fruit, were banished, and then given the ability to know right from wrong, just from unjust. And yes God does seem like a fore of nature, but a force of nature that people could put attributes to. Divine intervention and all that, whether positive or negative.
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Well, if the ultimate product of adherence to Christian doctrine is heaven (Eternal, uninterrupted bliss), then the notion of life is somewhat pointless. It's really just an unnecessary step, which also makes the Devil unnecessary.
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Life pointless? What do you mean? I'm kind of confused as to what you are trying to get across.
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Well, technically, yes, life has no inherent "point," but that's independent of what we're talking about right now. The point right now is that God has absolutely no reason to let the Devil continue existing (Assuming both of these entities exist, for this demonstration), because the end product is independent of his influence.
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Ah. Ok. Well, I think God allows the Devil to continue to exist because there does need to be a universal balance between good and evil, light and dark. If no Devil, then God would have to assume both roles. (assuming that these are the the only 2 forces of higher power). And I always felt the 'point' of human life was the human experience. But that's just me. :)
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Well, okay, but because the entire point of living is to achieve entrance to realm of eternal bliss, why exactly does there need to be a requirement to enter that bliss to begin with?
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From what I gather, 'life' is a test to see if you're worthy to enter Heaven, after which, assuming you were good in life, the party begins, yo.
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Because, going by Christian doctrine, Adam and Eve effed up pretty bad in the beginning. Eden was supposed to be heaven on Earth, but then they were influenced by Lucifer in the guise of a snake, ate the fruit of knowledge (against God's will) and so they (and the rest of humanity) were banished from Eden never to set foot there again. Not only that, we were now given the ability to recognize right from wrong and with that came the ability to distinguish good from evil. And since humanity could now fall prey to sin and corruption, the dredges of mankind were not the ideal people to be given eternal bliss. At least, that's my understanding of it.
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Except we're pretty much fully aware now that Adam and Eve never happened (Most Catholics nowadays accept some other, hyper-complex explanation for original sin). More importantly, this is can be referenced back to my examinations of God's omniscience. He would've known this was to happen for eternity, so he orchestrated it in actuality.
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I don't think that the original story of Adam and Eve was ever supposed to be taken literally but more as a parable of how corruption can be such a strong influence that even people living in a godly paradise under God's eyes can still fall prey to sin. And thus, for the current generations of humanity to be ever vigilant of corrupting influences.
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I'm always arguing that Genesis, and a lot of other things in the Bible, were meant literally. The only way that the concept of metaphorical intent within Genesis became prominent is through theist's acceptance of evolution, it was arbitrary.
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Edited by SonOfTheShire: 1/19/2013 3:56:03 AMYes, because turning your son into a frog is a healthy way to work out your differences.
