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1/16/2013 4:45:57 PM
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You also have to put in consideration that they're still superheros and very unrealistic. I don't watch a comic book movie for deep, well written, serious stories. I watch them for fun and to bring back those feelings I had when I was a child watching cartoons. Changing them to be more serious and dark will ruin it for me and a lot of other old comic book fans.
TDK trilogy was great and it worked well, however remember there are still a lot of people that preferred The Avengers because the old comic book feel it had. You're making it seem like people are getting sick of these type of films, when a lot of people aren't.
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[quote]Changing them to be more serious and dark will ruin it for me and a lot of other old comic book fans.[/quote]The comics for most superheroes were pretty dark to begin with, so I don't think having darker movies changes much.
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Edited by JFKES: 1/16/2013 5:12:27 PMI don't think people will get sick of them, in the same way perhaps people aren't sick of rom-coms even though they give nothing new. I have watched a ton of rom-coms over the years, and in my experience they are all basically the same, and leave you with the same feeling at the end. That's fine, and that's good, and as a genre it is financially sustaining. But I want the superhero movies to move beyond that. Offering something fresh. Yes all superhero movies are unrealistic. That's fine. But I want them to be serious and not just simple popcorn flicks. I love my popcorn flicks, but they satisfy a different itch compared to thinking or at least thought provoking movies. Avengers was a fantastic movie and I am happy to say that. I tried to make the point in my OP that both sides need each other. The light superhero films need the darker more serious ones to stop audiences becoming bored of basically the same origin story over and over, and the dark films need the light ones to comment on and to contrast with. I don't want all superhero movies to go dark. Iron Man is my second (well maybe third) favorite super hero movie (and Avengers is my fourth). I love both types of film, and I want both types to survive. However if they are going to survive they need to adapt and evolve or else audiences will likely get bored. But I do see your point, and I hope you see mine :)
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I do understand what you're saying but our opinions really differ. I liked The Avengers and all of the other Marvel movies for what they were. If they could add a bit more dept to the stories, I'd be all for it but I'm still content with the direction they're going in now. I've been a fan of superheros and comic books since I was little. I enjoyed the slight intended and non-intended humor that came with it. You're looking at the dark knight movies, knowing it was good and believing if every comic book movie was like it, they're be amazing as well but they won't. That would be taking everything they use to be, scarping it, and changing the characters personalities and atmosphere altogether. I don't want that. It worked well for the Batman story because it's more darker than the majority of superhero stories. That's also why those older Batman movies didn't do so well because they focused more on the humor, which Batman isn't about. Iron man got that cocky, witty humor. Thor always been oblivious to some of the things he says and does, which makes him humorous. Hulk although extremely dangerous also spit some simple one liners, which would be funny. Spiderman's jokes he would make at very inappropriate times were enjoyable. Hawk eye was also known for his lame jokes, which they sadly didn't add in the movie. I like those characters for what they already are. It worked well for Batman, The Joker, Catwoman, Bane, etc because they stayed true to the characters. Making The Avengers or even the majority of Marvel characters like that, will ruin everything they already stand for. My point is while something may work for one movie, it might not for another. DC and Marvel are two completely different universes, with completely different characters. Both have different styles. DC is more serious and dramatic, while Marvel is more based on the action and humor. I'd like to keep it that way.
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I think the difference between us is that you are more content with the direction comic books movies are going (that's just how I see it, I may be totally wrong!). I am worried that they will stagnate and then either become forgettable fun, or die out. I don't mind some (even the majority) of superhero films to stay fairly similar to the way they are going, as long as there are enough which also are trying something new. [quote]You're looking at the dark knight movies, knowing it was good and believing if every comic book movie was like it, they're be amazing as well but they won't.[/quote] I don't think that. True that The Dark Knight is probably my favorite film (along with a bunch of others) but I want to keep the variety. I spoke about his in my OP and in my last reply to you. I think the ballence is needed. I don't want all superhero movies to go dark and gritty. I am happy to have some stay light and joke filled. I just want there to be a ballence between the two types, not one dominating the other (as I fear is about to happen), as I think it will damage the genre. [quote]That would be taking everything they use to be, scarping it, and changing the characters personalities and atmosphere altogether.[/quote] I don't want this to happen at all. But I don't mind some new ideas being injected in. Nolan's Batman is more realistic than most of the comics. I'm not here suggesting this should be the general rule for all superhero adaptations, but it worked for Batman because the old Tim Burton Batman was much truer to the comics. People wanted something new and Christopher Nolan gave it to them. I would hate Iron Man if it was a deadly serious film about the issues of morality and the price of power (or something along those lines) I like the Iron Man films - and indeed most of the Marvel films - because they are light and don't take themselves too seriously. [quote]My point is while something may work for one movie, it might not for another. DC and Marvel are two completely different universes, with completely different characters. Both have different styles. DC is more serious and dramatic, while Marvel is more based on the action and humor. I'd like to keep it that way.[/quote] I would also like to keep it that way. When I talk about dark gritty superhero stories to ballence out the more light, fun ones (which are generally Marvel films) I am thinking either of DC characters (like Superman in The Man of Steel) and original creations (such as the film Chronicle). I don't want the film makers to butcher established characters to fit the 'dark gritty mold'. I would get pretty tired of superhero movies if they were all trying to be super-serious. It's the ballence that makes me be able to enjoy them both, and I'm worried (for multiple reasons) that the ballence wont stay. Either DC will start trying to copy Marvel's model, or Marvel will start trying to go dark, both while adding nothing new to a formula that I think is getting old fairly quickly. But again, this is just my interpretation of the state of the genre and what should be done. I don't have any more authority on this subject than anyone else. I'm just trying to share my thoughts :) Oh and I'm enjoying this discussion so I've followed you.
