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Edited by s:
9/1/2024 7:58:49 PM
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It's not the zen on elsies that makes it broken and I'm not going to say why it's better than messenger because I don't want it nerfed because it is not that big of an issue.
And 340s/elsies are not even the top gun used. We are still easily in a 120 140 hand cannon meta based on gun usuage and top player gun usage. Unlike hand cannons 340s require the player to be out in the open with very minimal if none strafing with low mobility without peek shooting to actually get that 2 burst ttk with absolute consistency. To a noob with 0 movement who doesnt know understand or refuses to get better at the game 340 seem broken when in reality they're at best very strong.
Literally every post I have seen complaining about 340s have been from people trying to main hand cannons who are clearly refusing to improve on their movement and would rather qq on the forums. Literally every single one is a self proclaimed HC main qq. The thing is 450 autos were already nerfed, because of that we are in a hand cannon rose/iggy meta, and if 340's are nerfed it will be a very very gross 140 120 meta. And I'm very positive the 450 nerf (which made 340s more powerful for their range coverage) were the same people who attempt to main HCs for reasons other than their own performance qq'ing because there was a gun that could outperform theirs if they weren't using their weapon archetype the way it is meant to be used.
Also to everyone complaining, the most xim and cronused gun archetypes are 140 and 120 hcs by a landslide. So those asking for a nerf do not realize the hellscape they're ushering in on the playerbase if their wishes are granted considering how many people cheat at higher elo's and that trials is not sbmm.
And to those of you that do not understand how to use hand cannons. The gun archetype should never and I mean never out ttk a gun archetype that cannot peek shoot. If it can it becomes the most broken weapon in the game. The way you are meant to use handcannons is to take advantage of the movement they provide.
Handcannons have by very large margins the highest per bullet damage excluding scout rifles, the highest ranges (iggy actually has more range than 340s), the highest strafe speeds, the highest in air accuracy, the highest aim assist values, the lowest zoom, and the lowest ads speeds of any gun archetype. If you think it is only fair that other guns have to kill as slow as your hand cannon you have no idea what you're talking about and need to get off the forums and go learn how to properly play the game.
Oh and btw asside from scout rifles, 450 and 340s pulses have the lowest numbers in most of those stats, lower than even the riposte in almost all of those stats which only kills 0.03 seconds slower.
In other words MASSIVE skill issue.
Go look for yourself. Khvostov rose meta. https://destinytracker.com/destiny-2/db/insights
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Dude over here talking about handcannon meta and running that pulse 🤦🏻♂️ do you guys try to make it glaringly obvious or are you trolling? Lol no pulse should two tap without kill clip im sorry. Hc take three headshots without the range. 120s (besides igneous hammer) take way more control to get kills with. Headseeker should not be a perk and I have been saying this since messenger.
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Edited by s: 9/1/2024 7:48:34 PMI haven't even played trials this weekend. On longer range maps I do run a pulse and on shorter range maps I run either an eyas or riposte. I don't usually run a handcannon though because I run blink which makes half of their benefits useless to me. But I'm not a single gun crutch. I would not have 0.3 away from double your seasonal kd in trials if I was. I have also explained why the meta is balanced right now in other comments. What you're excluding from your comment is that outside of scout rifles hand cannons have the highest per bullet damage in the game (if you don't know why that is important ascendant is way too easy to get now), highest strafe speeds, best in air accuracy, lowest zoom, and the lowest ads speeds by very large margins. If you actually think that they should kill at the same speed as a pulse rifle which are even lower than auto rifles in that regard you're out of your mind. No at higher skill levels where players actually do peek shoot and use hand cannons correctly 340's take much more skill as nobody who actually knows what they're doing is going to sell you a 2 burst when they see you have that gun equiped. At lower skill levels and 6's yea 340s are very easy to use because everyone just sells you clean 2 bursts out in the open though you can literally say the same thing about fang of ir yut or riposte which both kill 0.03 seconds later than 340s but i mean heck I can even pick up a bxr battler and farm everyone the same way. So no I'm obviously not trolling and know what I'm talking about. All your comment has shown to me is it's way too easy to get ascendant right now because it was pretty difficult the first few weeks of the expansion.
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Edited by PHOENIXUFC: 9/2/2024 1:15:23 AMNow the irony of your last paragraph there 😂🤦🏻♂️ I go as ascendant never using meta or a meta subclass. So if you are trying to throw shade I already own you. Hand cannons do most damage per bullet!? You don’t say! lol yes everyone knows that, but you have to actually take recoil into account. High risk high reward and that’s why the best use them. Now strafe speed…. Since you like to think you can break things down and you want to sound like you know what you’re talking about… The reason handcannons at a high level compete (because of strafe) is one hand cannon and that’s rose. All the top players refuse to use any other handcannon and that’s because it comes with free lightweight. If you are sitting here telling me a 120 can peek shoot and beat a 340 at similar skill level you are delusional… now I think you know that is the case, but judging by your load out you just copied every streamers build and are literally running what the majority of wannabe sweats are running 🤷🏻♂️
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Elsie is number 1 in Trials Report final blows this weekend, it will be eventually nerfed
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Edited by s: 9/1/2024 7:48:58 PMthats just because of map range and it's usage is only 1% higher than khvostov and 2% higher than rose this weekend which both do not have nearly the same range which only really proves my point further. eventide just has really long angles/lanes with very little peek shot cover so yea im sure 340s are most used just as on multiplex jade rabbit is most used. in total it is used much less than rose and khvostov which is what my link shows. i doubt it will be nerfed if bungie has any remote sense. we're in a really balanced for once meta id hate to see it tampered with further than the 450 nerf because billy wants to be as good as wallah with the igneous.
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The two burst will be nerfed
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Ah another rose user who is on the forums instead of improving their gameplay. Just saying that means nothing. It already has been nerfed with the last balance update even harder than 120's were nerfed. Though other than that 340s havent been nerfed in the past 10 years and with good reason. I have provided ample reason why it doesn't and nobody in their right mind should nerf it. The whole reason I'm posting on these forums to try to prevent it is because if bungie nerfs the game into a single weapon archetype because of forum qq everyone is going to get sick of it and quit and the game already is in a very deathly stage. You wan't destiny to survive? Stop qq'ing on the forums because rose can't share the same ttk as every other gun but is astronomically more superior than any other weapon in almost every stat. Learn how to use the gun archetype or pick a new one.
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Headseeker is toast
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I’m not using Rose
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yea i looked up your stats and not going to reply to this randomness any further
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My stats have nothing to do with Elsie that can two burst being broken
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We aren’t in an hc meta
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dude you literally follow around every single one of my comments i make and make false hollow statements and it is very annoying. every thing i have ever seen you comment has been wrong with 0 backing. go look for yourself based on this weekend of trials bud. khvostov rose those are the meta weapons right now. elsies is behind two shotguns.
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Edited by rrrhino: 8/31/2024 8:43:25 PMDon’t flatter yourself lil bro. 340 pulses are literally better than than hcs Edit: also womp womp if you find me annoying. That’s what the block button is for.
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Edited by s: 8/31/2024 8:47:52 PMlol "lil bro" must be a mouth breather. i legit posted the link with gun usage statistics. you are wrong. go ahead deny gun usage stats because you have no idea what you're talking about. edit: here if you need the link again because you're not good at reading. https://destinytracker.com/destiny-2/db/insights
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I’m mewing 24/7 🤫🧏 Many players far better than you or me also say 340s are better than hcs. Usage does not always = strength.
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ah yea more false hollow statements backed by nothing. most streamers aren't using 340s they're using 120s. usage stats even show that khvostov and hcs are being used more by the general playerbase. even in the recent tournament there were way more 120's and khvostovs used than 340's if any used at all. there is a difference between claiming something is so than actually making actions based on your claims. usage does mean strength especially in a game so heavily stat tracked like destiny 2. and again everything you've said is wrong with 0 backing.
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Edited by rrrhino: 8/31/2024 9:11:10 PMSo you are saying that hcs kill in 0.67 while being able peek shoot and can reach up to around 38 or more meters ? That’s what Elsie’s can do while having added forgiveness from head seeker. Whereas with an hc if you miss a crit you miss your ttk. 120 rpm hcs have similar range and worse ttk. You will be able to peek shoot with a 120 and maybe trade vs a 340 but you would need to lick cover which may not always be possible due to grenades and stuff. Let me give you an example. Behemoth has been one of the lowest usage subclasses for a while now. However if you put three behemoths in a team you it would be an incredibly obnoxious and powerful team comp. Edit :it is also a fact that I am constantly mewing and I don’t appreciate the animosity.
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from my experience in high elo trials and ascendant comp it is far easier to peek shoot with a 120. you can peek fast enough that the 340 will not actually get its full burst in and usually only get 1-2 bullets of the burst off. both those bullets need to be headshots or the 120 out duels. and since the 120 only needs to land 1 bullet on the third peek it will out duel the 340 which typically needs to two burst to actually compete. and headshots are far easier to land on a 140 than a 340 if the target is at all moving. and there are like 5000 different ways to peek shoot and most good players are always playing from cover which is a huge reason why the only thing challenging hcs right now is the khvostov and you can see that with usage rates amongst both streamers and general stats. plus if you are at all good with a rose in terms of strafing and crouching you can easily duel a 340 out in the open especially at medium/close range because you can almost guarentee a 3 burst against you if you are at all good at movement. I personally find myself switching to my ripost or eyasluna if the other players movement is just too good to actually two burst which happens frequently at those elos. 340s are just amazing at killing bad players who pick a hand cannon they see a streamer use or a lot of different guns for that matter that aren't 340s that wander out with 0 cover and 0 movement and expect not to get piledriven by someone using a 340 that has a stability perk + headseeker roll that is actually good enough at the game to land 5/6 or with 100 resil 6/6 headshots. so they come on the forums to complain when if they actually learn how to play the game realize the gun archetype is really easily countered just peek shoot or strafe right to left, slide from out of cover crouch occasionally etc. the thing is against the khvostov and riposte right now someone can do all that movement and still easily get out ttk'd which is why we're actually probably if not in a HC meta in a khvostov/720 meta. in ascendant most people simply use the khvostov if the game is at all a sweatfest. if you're struggling to win -> khvostov.
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Crucible and Trials Report are far more accurate than Destiny Tracker, Destiny Tracker leaves out a lot of complete matches
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https://destinytracker.com/destiny-2/db/insights
