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5/11/2024 8:58:49 PM
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Maybe if they added mnk support for consoles and match made based on input device across all platforms they wouldn't have to ban ppl needlessly
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That won't stop "accessibility device users" nor change their reason for using them.
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Nah M&K has a huge advantage over controllers. If M&K ever gets supported on console I want matchmaking based on input device as well. There's a reason console players don't want to play with PC players and it's because M&K. Personally I say if you want M&K go to PC and M&K inputs on console should be outright banned
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MnK only has movement speed over controller. MnK doesnt get reticle friction and flinch help from it. MnK has a skill gap. Controllers skill gap is so low. The input aims for you and as long as you move the flinch isnt near the same. Controller also gets about 80% of the guns to use in the game. If MnK is so much better you should try it and see how much bungie hates MnK players.
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They have more bullet magnetism. Can be further off the head abd still get crits.
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As an Xbox player who has played PvP with PC players it's a big no for me. Getting set in a PC lobby as an Xbox player is night and day and I don't want that experience for. No M&K players should be in my lobbys
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Thats because you are use to the slower game play that consoles have. Controllers are much easier to use and the skill gap is very small. I have played both Xbox and PC. I left console because of the horrible load times and low frame rates. But with todays consoles and PC hardware i dont see much of an issue of using MnK on console if controllers are allowed on PC. Basically you are wanting to restrict inputs to their native platform. If thats the case then controllers shouldnt be supported on PC and cross play shouldnt be a thing.
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Cross play isn't a thing between Console and PC. You have to have joined a PC player to play in PC lobbies as a console player and a PC player can never play in a console lobby. If that ever changes then yes it should match make on inputs. I have no desire to play against anyone on M&K
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I only want input match making so I can use my controller and play with my console clan members without dragging them into the sweat fest that is PC pvp
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I understand how cross play works. But as a PC player i am forced to play a PC player who is partied with a console player. I dont get the option to opt out of that. I personally hate when a PC player has a console player in the lobby. The lobbies have higher ping and there is large levels of damage delay. Its like a soft "net limiting" if that makes since. And trust me i understand your frustration. I am sick of controller on PC as an MnK player. Controller reticle friction has caused an increase of MnK users using a Xim or Cornus to have the same ability. I am just trying to get you to see this from both sides.
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There's not really a side here it just sounds like we want the same thing.you don't wanna play with controller players and I don't wanna play with M&K players. I don't play PC lobbys on purpose I raid with a PC player and sometimes when we run a crucible match they for get they're on PC. It's pretty cancerous everytime and I don't like to back out of matches. Also there's a similar issue with players using devices to get M&K on Console and absolutely no one is a fan of it. It for sure should be considered a cheat device
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Agreed. But honestly FPS games are about to be doomed with AI cheats and 3rd party devices. We all going to private matches again like Halo.
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Yeah I remember joining the last hoorah of Halo Reach in 2020 and dudes were running armorless Elites with the ability to switch to Forge mode in Matchmaking and change their own name to slurs and taunts when they killed you. It was pretty wild
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Halo was a better game for PvP because it was a skill based game. Everyone had the same weapon chances and characters. Destiny 2 is just input and weapon perks. PC is just max range to deal with controller kids sitting in the back.
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Part of that as well is because of their design philosophy and balance, the golden triangle. Guns grenades and melee all felt equally powerful and fun to use. Destiny hinges on meta shifting and because Bungie has refused to balance upward every has been nerfed to the floor. There are exceptions but most Grenades and Melee feel absolutely useless and supers basically don't exist in PvP now. It's all about the guns now which seems to be what people wanted but I'm pretty sure most people hate it. Overall I'm fine with ability cooldowns dropping, but they need to be meaningful. We need powerful bolts, and stickies and frags need to be a 1 shot with the right conditions. I'm tired of my melee feeling useless too.
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Play a titan. You get melee buffed for everything.
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I mostly stay with Warlock because that's my main and the movement is most natural to me, but yeah the Warlock Melee is so bad I often just change my action mapping to uncharged melee in PvP. The raw dog punch does more damage than the charged melee and it actually feels more natural. Only exceptions are for void or solar. Boops and ignitions itch that part of my brain that craves shenanigans
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The funny thing is that even if consoles had mnk support, people would likely still use the devices because of the advantages they confer.
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Pc has mouse and keyboard support and people are still using the devices? What is adding mouse and keyboard support going to do other than please the mouse and keyboard users? Don't get me wrong, I legit see no issue in facing a different input if there are no cheats at play. However it won't eliminate the problem, it will stay the same You can't tell me 3mil if not more all have a hand condition?
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All the cheaters would be in PC lobbies problem solved imo
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🤣🤣 No it would not. The devices trick the console and software into thinking its a controller. How would that solve our device issue?
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Because if bungie added mnk support they could ban the devices you are speaking of which they are not doing, they are allowed for accessibility, adding mnk support would fix the accessibility cheese where these devices hide and allow them to be targeted and by making it peripheral based matchmaking wood shift everything to battle eye and battle eye would at least have a shot at catching it..
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Bungie already came out that these devices were against TOS, be it accessibility or not. If people want accessibility devices, Microsoft made such a controller for peeps with limited hand movement. There is an entire list of curated stuff that allows for accessibility and does not negate the integrity of a competitive environment. Adding it would be a pro but would change nothing.. cod has it and people are still using them.
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It's not really on any of the game makers to do anything about this it's on the console manufacturers to do so
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Microsoft was busy with a list to blanket out devices that weren't approved by Microsoft for their consoles and or other products. But I haven't heard anything as of recently
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Bungie spoke out of both sides of their mouth on this one, on one hand they said it was against tos on the other hand they said it is for accessibility That's why nothing has been done consoles can detect these devices just look at other games they just choose to do nothing about it
