[quote]Exotic drop rates have been significantly raised...[/quote] They have. But that is overall drop chance. But you need to compound that with the 1/9-13 chance of getting the specific piece for which you are farming. Then you need to account for the crap-shoot on stat distribution that makes [i]at least[/i] half of the exotics you [i]do[/i] get nothing but crap infusion fuel. [i]Even when using the ghost mod for a minimum 10 in a stat![/i] [quote]...20% [for Legend]... ...33% [for Master]....[/quote] Previously Legend LS had a 20% drop rate, and master sat at about 23%. Those numbers were crowd-sourced by the community with over 10k separate data points. The percentage is part of the issue, the big part is that even if the master was 50%, that isn't what we have been taught "common" drop rate means. Compare to Master and GM nightfalls. Exotics are "common" there, and the only time they [i]don't[/i] drop is if a rarer item (Ascendant Shard) took their place. So those have a 100% drop rate (baring rarer gear). Both of those activities describe exotic armor as [b]Common[/b]. [quote]25 - 30 mins isn't bad on Legend per exotic.[/quote] That would be entirely reasonable, but the point of the post is that you are getting a grab bag. Every 20 min, you get a 1/9-13 chance of getting the [i]specific[/i] exotic you want. Without a lockout system. Little bit deeper on the math here. On average we can probably say that every exotic drop has a 1/10 chance of being the specific exotic you want. You aren't going into a LS for any exotic. You are looking for a specific one generally. The odds of losing (ie, getting 10 exotics [i]other[/i] than your specific target) with 10 random exotics (200minutes) are 0.9^10. So roughly 0.349, or 34.9%. Meaning if you run the lost sector until you get 10 exotics, there is only a 65% chance that you get the one specific piece you want. If we take your low end number that you called "not bad" of 20 minutes, we now start to get at the issue. 200 minutes (3h20m) of running lost sectors. [quote]I feel every one of these posts are from people that don't actually play or learn these LSs.[/quote] I run between 1-2 [i]hundred[/i] lost sectors every season to try to acquire the new exotics [i]for my warlock only[/i]. I virtually exclusively play my lock, and I run LS not just to "get one and done." I don't need swarmers boots. I need Swarmers boots with only a 2 in mobility, high resilience, decent recovery, & high discipline. [b]These are modest requirements for buildcrafting[/b]. I don't need specific numbers. I just need passable numbers in the stats that matter and no stat points "wasted" in the stats that don't matter (on warlock, ie, mobility & strength). This is where the time-farming issue comes in. 3h for a specific exotic; it isn't the worst if I have a surefire way of controlling stat distribution. But barring that, the hours add up quick. But there is no way to control the stats to be useful outside of the ghost mod for a minimum of 10, and still doesn't guarantee that particular stat is a "spike." Some more math for us now: If I have a 1/4 chance of getting the "right" stats. (This is probably a fairly generous estimate, even when using the ghost mod). We are looking at a 75% chance of getting crap stats. 0.75^4 (represents 4 three-hour cycles of rolling for the specific exotic) gets us to a 0.316 (or 31.6%) chance of failure. Meaning a 69% (nice) chance of success in getting the stats on the exotic we are actually farming. That is over [b]12 HOURS[/b]. If we assume ~5min for a platinum legend completion, you need to run 144 platinum lost sectors on average to get a single [i]decent[/i] roll of the specific exotic you want. We can extrapolate that final count as a fraction 1/144 chance. That works out to: 0.694[b][i]%[/i][/b] on any single lost sector completion. You have better chances at getting a raid exotic on the first run. [quote]I'm sorry, you have unreasonable expectations...[/quote] My expectations is that common means common across the game. If the drops were [i]actually[/i] common (ie 100% in master LS; taking about 6m on average), we would be looking at ~60m to get the exotic (down from 200m) & 4h (down from 12h) to get a well-rolled stat distribution on that specific exotic. That breaks down to 1/40 chance per mLS completion. or a 2.5[b][i]%[/i][/b] chance every chest. My expectation is that bungie recognizes that this problem of actually being able to farm for [i]passable stats on specific gear[/i] will not get better, and actively get worse as they release more exotics, further diluting the loot pool.