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11/4/2022 9:12:29 PM
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The Sword Logic has a lot to do with survival of the fittest. Beings challenging each other to see who has the right to exist...to see who's the strongest and most capable. The thing is, survival of the fittest is pretty much natural law but the Witness takes this law to unreasonable levels and causes mass extinctions. It seems like the Witness is searching for something to go to such extremes...like he's searching for the ultimate warrior to rise from the ashes of one of these extinctions. Someone who is the definition of strong life. The Final Shape. Genocide won't prove the Sword Logic right, only someone rising up and killing him in combat will prove the Sword Logic to be true. For according to the Sword Logic if someone overcomes him he has no right to exist. If the Witness dies by his own rules he proves his own point. I think Oryx was working towards eventually challenging the Witness. He killed both his sisters and the wormgod Akka and gained massive amounts of power. I think it might have been a unwaivering belief in the Sword Logic and ambition. It's possible that the Witness saw Oryx as a future contender but then the Guardians stepped in a put a stop to all of that. Now the Guardians are considered a contender as the Final Shape because we killed Oryx and everything else that has been thrown at us. Pretty much, whoever directly challenges the Witness and beats him is the Final Shape because they are the stronger lifeform. They are a sharper blade than his and they will take his position by right, and the Witness will probably be happy because his search will be over and the Sword Logic will be proven correct and he can finally rest.
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I dig this concept
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Thank you.
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For sure dude thanks for the read and brain churning
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Always happy to help. 👍
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Ya’ll come up with the weirdest and most unsupported things ever:
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Until Bungie states otherwise the theory is plausible.
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Sure, and it’s technically possible that Zavala takes his anger out on kids because nothing explicitly states otherwise. Doesn’t mean it’s a theory that makes sense.
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It makes sense. The best ones to study when it comes to the Sword Logic is the Hive. They pretty much test one another through combat and death, earn the right to exist and ascend higher and higher in the ranks in hopes of reaching the top as the strongest. Survival of the fittest. The Hive is the poster child for the Sword Logic. My theory follows the same model. I'd imagine they learned this thought process from the Witness. To overcome the Witness is to be the strongest... pretty much anywhere.
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If you think a suicidal Witness makes sense you’re well beyond the realm of reaching.
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Maybe suicidal was the wrong word to use. Maybe obsessed would be a better word. So obsessed with his Sword Logic that he requires the strongest lifeform he can find to challenge and kill him to prove his point to the Traveler.
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Headcanon really is a beautiful thing.
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I don't know if you are a GoT fan but Jon Snow being a Targaryen was actually a popular fan theory and hense head canon.
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Fan theories sometimes get traction is all I'm saying.
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Literally nothing would make sense about the Witness being like “lol kill me thx”.
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Oryx had no hard feelings and neither did Xol. I'd imagine as long as there's a fight to prove unequivocally who is strongest, I think the Witness would be fine with it. The Sword Logic is his logic.
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Whatever you need to say to justify headcanon man.
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Let's just agree to disagree. Is that cool?
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No. Now delete everything on your PC.
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Edited by iKARUS: 11/5/2022 12:47:35 AMIt's not suicidal. It's the search of the challenge. The rival. The way of it's/their beliefs, discipline, or the searching beyond the preconceived notion of it's/their purpose. To ascend beyond the confines there of Or even to adhere to such (the base of sword logic)
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I don’t really care about the wording behind it. Because the concept in general is probably some of the biggest headcanon I’ve seen in recent history. I’d say it’s a stretch but that doesn’t even do it justice.
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I see it as falling into the concept of sword logic which is derived from the rule made of the winnower, darkness, worms, and as well as the hive. Tho I don't believe in oryx or xivu or even the worms truly wanting to combat the witness, like I feel savathun will (maybe xivu will eventually) But I feel like the witness is searching for said power to rival its own to finish the "game"
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Right? It's kinda hard to finish the game when the Gardener never strikes the killing blow and offers peace and the Winnower just attacks and the process starts all over again. It's eternal.
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Plus WE are the eternal hero (taking from marathon and it's books that parallel it's ideals) the Gardner is more so a omnipotence but still holds indifference, it's purpose is creation and organization nothing else, what it's creation does with the power is its own path. Take savathun for example
