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6/15/2022 11:25:51 PM
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I mean I get what you're saying but if No backup plans is still useful only on void even though it changes with the subclass then they aren't gonna make it to where these boots will work on other subclasses.
It would be cool but I don't see it happening any time.
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The thing is, NBP has Void subclass in the description. Secant doesn't.
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There are different kinds of overshields. Devour is [i]explicitly[/i] a void ability.
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Bungie already said they want to keep Overshields within that 1 stasis fragment and the Void subclass. Reason why Well of Radiance lost the Overshield.
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Okay? The point is that void over shields aren’t the same as overshields. And there are plenty of sources for both.
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Radiance is explicitly a Solar ability buff but I got boots to get it with the Void Subclass. If they can do that, devour can also be distributed. Then you had Suppressing Glaive last season. I can use Lubrae's Ruin on a Solar subclass to give Suppression, which is explicitly a void ability as no other sources for suppression outside the void subclass is possible other than that mod. Volatile Flow as well, Volatile is explicitly a void ability, but it worked simply from making a void elemental well and picking it up even if you're in a different subclass.
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Clearly they want devour to be explicitly void. I dunno what you want man. Things like radiant are meant to be teamwide so that’s not really a good counter argument either.
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If it was clear, they wouldn't have made that description. They made it clear with Mask of Bakris explicitly saying "Stasis subclass Dodge" so I doubt they want devour to be explicitly void if the description of Secant Filaments is simply "Casting an empowering rift will grant you devour." And the Rain of Fire boots is a great counter argument. You don't need anyone using Solar to get Radiance, you just need the boots and any Fusion Rifle or Linear Fusion Rifle. And it only gives you Radiance, not the people around you. So an Arc subclass with Main Ingredient + Rain of Fire can give me Radiance. Both boots are Warlock boots. Both give a buff that are from a subclass. And the main perks of both are mainly for the user of the boots. It's just that Rain of Fire doesn't rely on a subclass or a damage type. There is no other way to get Radiance without using the Solar subclass other than Rain of Fire.
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You’ll be okay.
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No reason not to be.
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I feel like you’re also not really understanding/appreciating the balance issues that would come with devour being non-exclusive.
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It already works. Get devour from void, switch subclasses, and just keep extending it. It's been like that for years now according to my clanmates. Since Season 13 under my metrics since thats when I started playing with devour and I only started playing D2 since mid/end-Season 12. Restoration x2 is way more broken than devour as it keeps your health up and you can keep extending that and tank way more damage. Devour requires kills before it heals you. And you can gice Restoration with healing grenades. Even if you have Restoration and Devour at the same time, devour is useless with that on already. And we're sacrificing an exotic slot for it anyway, it's not like we're getting a general buff if they grant it. It's not like you could keep Devour up for more than a minute in a strike anyway. You all just assume it would be broken without even listing how it is broken and what does it break.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Tell me the difference between a weapon damage buff and full health on kills along with grenade energy
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Tell me the difference between them saying "activating your Solar class abilities grants you restoration", "replaces your Stasis subclass Dodge ability with a longer range...", and them saying "casting an empowering rift will grant you devour" first.
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Devour is void only, just like restoration, freeze and shock. Otherwise why don't we give a loreley level sunspot to every single subclass of every class?
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Freeze can be achieved using a Stasis gun on any subclass. Restoration/Health Recovery can be achieved using Stunning Recovery Vanguard weapon trait, Soul Drinker origin trait, on any subclass. Shock can be achieved by Warlocks using the exotic Vesper of Radius where you cast your rift is gives an electric shockwave. Regardless of subclass. So even more reason to follow the Secant Filaments description and grant Devour regardless of Subclass. That's two Warlock exotics that grant a subclass exclusive and can be used on any subclass.
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Edited by Timerstone: 6/17/2022 5:04:03 PMSunspots are exclusive to Solar Titans only. If you want to spread out sunspots, give it to the other classes' Solar tree first. Ability to get Devour is already spread throughout the Void subclass regardless of class. The only thing left is to fulfill the definition of Secant Filaments to grant Devour on an empowering rift cast. Not just a void empowering rift cast. Radiance was a Solar subclass only exclusive until they made Raid of Fire boots. It doesn't even require anything Solar to give you Radiance. Arc subclass + Arc Fusion Rifle + Boots can give you Well of Radiance level of Radiance. And every subsequent kill with it refreshes it. There's no cooldown in between. If they meant to keep Secant's ability a Void exclusive they would've mentioned "Void Empowering Rift". To keep it consistent with Classy Restoration'a definition and Mask of Bahkris. Even the TWAB that introduced the exotic never mentioned it being a Void exclusive. So unless you're Bungie, your word to say Devour is Void exclusive isn't gonna stick unless Bungie themselves change the definition of Secant Filaments. They even call it Devouring Rift pants. Not Devouring Void Rift pants.
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The difference being that devour completely refills your health and is a buff that is and always was granted by void. Why not remove the stasis requirements from hoarfrost and bakris then? Or the void requirement for no backup plans to get a void overshield? The only difference being that it's stated there but they're also tied to elements. The only way outside of a void titan is with repulsor brace which also requires a void debuff. The arc shockwave from vesper of radius is basically a grenade launcher blast. Freeze is exclusive to stasis subclasses and weapons. I don't see a solar weapon causing slow or freeze anytime soon. Stunning recovery can be interrupted by damage unlike restoration
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Edited by Timerstone: 6/17/2022 5:32:17 PMStunning Recovery grants health immediately and an additional 3 second restoration that can be interrupted. The health granted immediately part is basically like Cure in the Solar subclass. Cure doesn't fill the health immediately, Cure x2 does. So that's another Solar subclass ability that can be achieved regardless of subclass. Feeeze being a Stasis weapon exclusive yes, but the point here is that I can freeze regardless of subclass. Vesper of Radius is still an Arc shockwave. Again, still regardless of subclass. Still an Arc thing. Just because it's insignificant doesn't mean it doesn't go under the list you made. Even Warmind cells can give subclass perks on conditions such as weakening, healing, overshield and shockwave. And weakening is a void subclass exclusive, only Warmind cells have the ability to basically do weakness debuff granted it's split into two mods. The reason why the subclasses are stated there with NBP and Mask of Bakris is because they are tied to the Subclasses. If they remove the subclass from the definition then you can argue for it to work with any subclass. That's just a stupid point to bring up. You can't just remove the subclass from the description and just keep it tied to the subclasses. Bungie made it clear with those exotics, they didn't with Secant Filaments. Hence this feedback post to point it out and to propose to just grant it regardless of subclass as they do with Rain of Fire. There are already many ways to get health immediately, adding devour to that list won't break the game like Telesto. Origin traits, Orbs of Light, Charge with Light, Elemental Wells, Warmind Cells.
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Then shouldn't loreley be able to create a sunspot on every subclass? It also just says when you're critically wounded with full class ability energy or when you cast a barricade, create a sunspot at your location, so why shouldn't that make a sunspot on any subclass?
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Try using Loreley Splendor without the Sol Invictus aspect and Classy Restoration to see how it feels when using it on another subclass. Because that's pretty much it. Loreley just spawns a sunspot, it doesn't do anything else for the sunspot other than the Restoration.
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Then argue that to Bungie, not me. I never went against that idea. I even assumed that it already does drop a sunspot but it doesn't grant the solar effects as it requires solar aspects and fragments in the subclass. And even if they made sunspots available regardless of subclass, you won't be getting much benefit from it as you would in a Solar subclass.
