[quote]Just make it so LD and EV are not one shot. It’s a damage cap for those weapons so they don’t one tap body. Everything else is fine.[/quote] The problem isn’t just with those guns. It’s just a better empowering rift that charges faster and has more bonuses. It shouldn’t be in the game.

No one else is complaining about that. It’s mostly LD and EV. It’s fine. Use a vortex nade and they will die.

[quote]No one else is complaining about that. It’s mostly LD and EV. It’s fine. Use a vortex nade and they will die.[/quote] You can take the buff out of the sunspot. You can’t pretend it gets countered just by throwing a grenade. Again, it’s just a significantly better emp rift.

Emp rift isn’t supposed to be the same as Sunspot. Rift doesn’t need a exotic. Vortex nade forces the user out of the sunspot. It can easily be countered by throwing a grenade.

[quote]Emp rift isn’t supposed to be the same as Sunspot. Rift doesn’t need a exotic. Vortex nade forces the user out of the sunspot. It can easily be countered by throwing a grenade.[/quote] Sunspot is fine. The exotic is not. You cannot have an exotic introduce a better version of an emp rift that can have infinite uptime. One again, you cannot pretend that a grenade counters it. The only grenade that will counter it is the hunter stasis gauntlets, which also need a nerf.

[quote] One again, you cannot pretend that a grenade counters it. The only grenade that will counter it is the hunter stasis gauntlets, which also need a nerf.[/quote] Bro… idk what to tell you. Vortex grenade easily counters it. It’s worked for me multiple times. I have died to it multiple times. Stop acting like it’s unbeatable. It’s easily avoidable. Besides that, again, there is a difference. One requires an exotic, one does not.

[quote] Bro… idk what to tell you. Vortex grenade easily counters it. It’s worked for me multiple times. I have died to it multiple times. Stop acting like it’s unbeatable. It’s easily avoidable. Besides that, again, there is a difference. One requires an exotic, one does not.[/quote] I use the exotic. Throwing a grenade at me won’t counter me. I take the buff with me when I leave. It’s a free damage buff with 100% uptime. There is no defense against having that in the game. It’s pathetic that you’re even trying to defend it.

You take the buff but are forced out of your barricade. I don’t even use the exotic but I know that if you throw are Vortex nade, it will counter them. I did this like 5 times last night. Step one: See Enemy Step two: Throw Vortex/ most void nades Step three: Shoot them (I use Ace of Spades) Step four: Win Easy. But of course Titans can’t have nice things. But I think due to this conversation I will start to use this helmet and abuse the living hell out of it just to annoy y’all. Now any one with half a brain will know not to just openly challenge me and instead throw a nade and then push, but it seems like that population is very low…

[quote]You take the buff but are forced out of your barricade. I don’t even use the exotic but I know that if you throw are Vortex nade, it will counter them. I did this like 5 times last night. Step one: See Enemy Step two: Throw Votex/ most void nades Step three: Shoot them (I use Ace of Spades) Step four: Win Easy. But of course Titans can’t have nice things. But I think due to this conversation I will start to use this helmet and abuse the living hell out of it just to annoy y’all. Now any one with half a brain will know not to just openly challenge me and instead throw a nade and then push, but it seems like that population is very low…[/quote] I literally use the helmet. You’re not countering me with a vortex, lol. I’ll just reposition and still kill you. Then I’ll pop another barricade because I get one every 10 seconds. It’s a buff with 100% uptime. There is zero defense for having a permanent damage bonus. Luckily a nerf is coming.

That’s not ho- do you not know how Vortex nades work? That’s literally what I do every single time. Either that or suppression. It forces them out of the barricade and as soon as that happens triple tap Ace. Or possibly even two tap. It sounds like most people you have fought against just suck and don’t know how to throw a grenade. It’s not hard. I throw Grenade. You get weakened by grenade. You try to reposition. You get triple taped to the head. You die. OR you reposition, and I let you go, but you moved. Which is what I wanted. Now I flank you and one two punch you a$$. Y’all are just cry babies. The Destiny community can’t handle anything that forces them to actually think about what they are doing before they act.

[quote]That’s not ho- do you not know how Vortex nades work? That’s literally what I do every single time. Either that or suppression. It forces them out of the barricade and as soon as that happens triple tap Ace. Or possibly even two tap. It sounds like most people you have fought against just suck and don’t know how to throw a grenade. It’s not hard. I throw Grenade. You get weakened by grenade. You try to reposition. You get triple taped to the head. You die. OR you reposition, and I let you go, but you moved. Which is what I wanted. Now I flank you and one two punch you a$$. Y’all are just cry babies. The Destiny community can’t handle anything that forces them to actually think about what they are doing before they act.[/quote] Once again, you can just move out of the barricade and keep the buff. Just because you’re unable to understand a simple concept like how having a permanent damage buff is overpowered, doesn’t mean it isn’t. Your own personal incredulities don’t affect reality. I’m using the helmet and calling it what it is. There is no argument against it getting nerfed. Edit: you’re a .5, the helmet probably is balanced when you use it, lol.

Do you not understand how vortex grenades work? Yes. You keep the buff. That’s not very helpful when your getting pulled into a abyss of death and are getting shot in the face with Ace. It’s also not helpful when you get suppressed and someone cross-maps you with a fusion. It’s only a real issue with LD or EV. Your not just using barricade as soon as some throws vortex. You need to get out of it and reposition. In that amount of time I have probably killed you with Ace. And so has any remotely competent player. Just because people don’t know how not suck at not dying doesn’t mean we need to nerf it. The only times it has been annoying is when they are using LD or I’m an idiot and don’t see it in time.

[quote]Do you not understand how vortex grenades work? Yes. You keep the buff. That’s not very helpful when your getting pulled into a abyss of death and are getting shot in the face with Ace. It’s also not helpful when you get suppressed and someone cross-maps you with a fusion. It’s only a real issue with LD or EV. Your not just using barricade as soon as some throws vortex. You need to get out of it and reposition. In that amount of time I have probably killed you with Ace. And so has any remotely competent player. Just because people don’t know how not suck at not dying doesn’t mean we need to nerf it. The only times it has been annoying is when they are using LD or I’m an idiot and don’t see it in time.[/quote] A vortex doesn’t magically make you win the fight bud. The other player still has their damage buff. It really isn’t hard to understand. [quote]In that amount of time I have probably killed you with Ace. And so has any remotely competent player. [/quote] You’re a .5, it clearly isn’t working as well as you say it is.

Number one: Vortex obscures vision. Makes it easy to Tripoli tap. Number two, what’s 0.5? I’m genuinely curious. Because it’s not my crucible KD nor Iron Banner, is it Trials? Also it’s a very poor argument to attack any of my stats as it doesn’t actually prove your point. It’s simply an Ad Hominem attack. Edit: I am assuming you mean my “Super KD” which proves nothing. My KDA in crucible is 1.5 and In IB it’s 1.7 something. So yes. It’s working just fine thank you:)

[quote]Number one: Vortex obscures vision. Makes it easy to Tripoli tap. Number two, what’s 0.5? I’m genuinely curious. Because it’s not my crucible KD nor Iron Banner, is it Trials?[/quote] Your overall kd is 0.8. Acting like you’re going to be countering a player because you threw a vortex when you have stats like that is just unrealistic. The exotic is blatantly overpowered regardless of your incredulities.

[quote] Your overall kd is 0.8.[/quote] I don’t see how that proves anything as well. Do you know how humans change over the course of time? They get better or worse at something. Overall KD means jack-sh*t. What matters is current KD. I don’t care if you have a 7.5 KD lifetime. It doesn’t mean that you good now. What’s the current KD. But again, your argument is just an Ad hominem attack so it holds no water in the first place.

[quote] I don’t see how that proves anything as well. Do you know how humans change over the course of time? They get better or worse at something. Overall KD means jack-sh*t. What matters is current KD. I don’t care if you have a 7.5 KD lifetime. It doesn’t mean that you good now. What’s the current KD. But again, your argument is just an Ad hominem attack so it holds no water in the first place.[/quote] You’re not much better this season and your trial kd is still a .5. You can’t act like you’re going to counter every Titan using the op helmet just because you threw a grenade. That’s not how it works bud. If you tree a grenade at me, I would still kill you the majority of times.

Not if it’s vortex. Also that’s a Trials KD. My IB KD is like a 1.7 and crucible is a 1.5 or something. Also I still don’t see how KD is reflective of how easy something is to counter. But it’s not is it? Going after stats is not a good argument…

[quote]Not if it’s vortex. Also that’s a Trials KD. My IB KD is like a 1.7 and crucible is a 1.5 or something. Also I still don’t see how KD is reflective of how easy something is to counter. But it’s not is it? Going after stats is not a good argument…[/quote] Again, a vortex does nothing to counter the exotic any more than it counters anything else. The buff is not restricted to the sunspot. It can be carried with the player. You’re nowhere near a 1.5 in any playlist. Trials kd is by far the most telling. You cannot act like you’re going to go around beating every Titan using the exotic just because you threw a grenade. Your stats don’t reflect the confidence you’re trying to display here. The exotic is op. There is zero valid argument against that. It is getting a nerf next season as a result.

[quote] You’re nowhere near a 1.5 in any playlist.[/quote] I literally have a 1.5 in crucible and a 1.7 in IB. I don’t know what to tell you. I’m also not disputing the buff follows you. I have not done that. Ever. What I have been saying is that Vortex will damage them(possibly kill them) and force them out. In that time you can kill them. The buff doesn’t make you one shot every one with a primary. Nerf this nerf that. I don’t even use the helm but the constant call for nerfs is so annoying. It’s like y’all get mad at everything that kills ya. I hope the buff the helmet and the Hunter gauntlets AND fusions just to make y’all cry. The Destiny community is just full of crybabies that don’t want learn how to throw a grease properly. Yes I know the buff follows you. I have known that for a long time now. You can shut up about it. Vortex grenade obscures their vision and pulls them towards the center, and you can kill them with anyone. KD has nothing to do with how good or bad a technique is. It’s not like every single person is running around using the helm. Your using a broad spectrum of information to come to the conclusion of a very minute event.

[quote] I literally have a 1.5 in crucible and a 1.7 in IB. I don’t know what to tell you. I’m also not disputing the buff follows you. I have not done that. Ever. What I have been saying is that Vortex will damage them(possibly kill them) and force them out. In that time you can kill them. The buff doesn’t make you one shot every one with a primary. Nerf this nerf that. I don’t even use the helm but the constant call for nerfs is so annoying. It’s like y’all get mad at everything that kills ya. I hope the buff the helmet and the Hunter gauntlets AND fusions just to make y’all cry. The Destiny community is just full of crybabies that don’t want learn how to throw a grease properly. Yes I know the buff follows you. I have known that for a long time now. You can shut up about it. Vortex grenade obscures their vision and pulls them towards the center, and you can kill them with anyone. KD has nothing to do with how good or bad a technique is. It’s not like every single person is running around using the helm. Your using a broad spectrum of information to come to the conclusion of a very minute event.[/quote] You are a 0.86 in crucible and a 0.95 in iron banner. Feel free to look up your stats. It’s very telling to why you think the helmet isn’t a problem. Again, the helmet is blatantly overpowered. Throwing a grenade at it doesn’t do anything that it doesn’t do to any other player. The player still has a permanent buff active. A buff that allows weapons to kill much faster than they would otherwise. It’s a huge advantage. The demage buff ain’t even all it does. It also heals you, recharges your abilities faster, increases movement speed, does damage and spawns sunspots on kills. All this with 100% uptime. Again, I’m not mad at it killing me. I literally use it. It isn’t even remotely fair or balanced. I will be taking advantage of how broken it is until it receives it’s needed nerf. [url=https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/508823920519020552/964623788803239996/4-15-2022_4-26-28_PM-ntzgyjfj.mov]This isn’t even remotely balanced.[/url] Your inability to understand simply concepts doesn’t make other players crybabies. That’s a stupid thing to say. Complaints about imbalance are valid. It doesn’t matter if everyone is using the helmet or not. That doesn’t make it any less overpowered. Even if the helmet had a reliable counter, it would still be overpowered. An item doesn’t need to be impossible to beat in order to be overpowered. A permanent damage buff is beatable. That doesn’t make it balanced.

I don’t know what to tell you. Right here. Seasonal KDA for Crucible 1.48 Seasonal KDA for IB 1.74 I might be going insane. It’s too late for this sh*t. The internet… oh… alright. Ima go watch some Game of Thrones (don’t worry, not season 8). Goodnight.