I can't help but feel like you didn't read a word of what I said. I spent a whole portion of the post explaining how there really isn't any variety in the core of the build. Yeah, you can use whatever exotic you prefer, but all it ever really is boils down to invis looping. There's nothing wrong with invis looping, it's just that it's the only option. There's 3 aspects. 2 different options for going invisible, and then the core of every single build: Stylish Executioner. No matter what you do, you're running Stylish Executioner. And so the core loop of your build remains the same. What else am I gonna do? Run two aspects that just make me go invis? Wow, what amazing buildcrafting options I have.

I'd say weakening is just as important for nighstalker 3.0 as invis can be. While it looks like you're doing the same thing as any other nightstalker, you're both playing differently to get there. It may look like two void 3.0 titans are just getting a lot of overshield, the ways they're doing it and using it is different. Stylish executioner does feel pretty necessary to nightstalker 3.0, and I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing yet. I'm much more potent at contributing to the team in just raw ad clear than I was before with heart of the pack, I think nighstalker just lost its main playstyle as a buffer and became more of a selfish debuffer.

I do enjoy playing it but I get what op is saying I don't wanna use this for everything for 3 months straight just doing the same thing over an over there's no new synergy or anything with exotics just the same old synergy the class lost more in pers than others they got turned into fragments now yes but it everyone can use them so there not part of the hunter really an the dived each perc into multiple fragments so it feels expensive to get them all on just to feel like you did b4 this season

I feel pretty different with stylish executioner. It's a different feeling to throw a smoke into a herd and go inviz. Orpheus, graviton forfeit, and omnioculus all have great syngergy with void 3.0 The only thing that worries me about nightstalker 3.0 is that it feels like you [i]need[/i] stylish executioner

When I was talking about different, I didn't mean in reference to before Void 3.0 Yes, of course this new version of the subclass feels different. What I meant was what different things can we do with it? No from before, but now. How many options are there? Not many, considering there's only 3 fragments and any half-decent combo would involve stylish executioner. It really just boils down to what flavor of invis do you want. We can have 3-4 fragments, and there's really no good reason for Hunters not to run weakening grenades and explosive ability kills, so it's really more like 1-2 options.

Truth is in pve atleast stylish is a big nerf compared to what we had you are better going with double instant invs aspects that can work off each other (ambush and step) I don't need to see thru walls in pve the suppressive glaive is nice with stylish but that's only for this season idk man the thing is too all those invs builds have been around an effective for ever nothing feels new or like build crafting just the same old ability spam with less support option

[quote]Truth is in pve atleast stylish is a big nerf compared to what we had you are better going with double instant invs aspects that can work off each other (ambush and step) I don't need to see thru walls in pve the suppressive glaive is nice with stylish but that's only for this season idk man the thing is too all those invite build without it have been around an effective for ever nothing feels new or like build crafting just the same old ability spam with less support option[/quote] I don't think you're right about stylish being a nerf at all. I can go invis with any weapon, and it's based on my use of other abilities like weaken nades or smoke. It feels different, but notice that every hunter is using stylish executioner. That's really my only concern.

[quote][quote]Truth is in pve atleast stylish is a big nerf compared to what we had you are better going with double instant invs aspects that can work off each other (ambush and step) I don't need to see thru walls in pve the suppressive glaive is nice with stylish but that's only for this season idk man the thing is too all those invite build without it have been around an effective for ever nothing feels new or like build crafting just the same old ability spam with less support option[/quote] I don't think you're right about stylish being a nerf at all. I can go invis with any weapon, and it's based on my use of other abilities like weaken nades or smoke. It feels different, but notice that every hunter is using stylish executioner. That's really my only concern.[/quote] You may be right man it could just be a preference but ambush makes you invite right away instead of adding the extra debuff step but it can't be chained I wonder how it will feel when the other classes stop using void an your the only 1 debuffing not arguing here BTW I think your opinion of stylish executioner is valid but idk if it's really gonna do anything for me when I can have 90% invs up time with ambush gamblers dodge an vanishing step without the need for an exotic an 100% with an exotic mainly graviton an omni An even ranking

Warlocks can weaken better with child of the old God an you only have 1 way to weaken an it's tied to a cooldown it's just OK nothing that's relevant to a build an no exotics provide any defuffs to help besides bombardier an those just supress

The weakening grenade ability seems to be frowned upon by the warlocks (I don’t think they want to lower their discipline under 100) so bop in the weakness fragment and use any grenade and even more weakness.