[quote]Straight to the point:
Autos need more damage to everything in pve. Smgs are far superior in every aspect especially considering their dominance on mnk at range and their overall damage. 600 autos are ok I guess but could be better imo, the rest are not worth using over a hc, smg or scout.
All pulse rifles just do far less than scouts and hand cannons who are their competitors at similar ranges. The damage to anything in endgame is laughable. All archetypes need to be buffed considering I don’t think they’ve had help in a LONG time.
Specific exotics:
Outbreak: rapid hit replacing outlaw will very much help the weapon especially in the area where right now it REQUIRES multiple people to use it for any viability. A bump in damage to rank and file ads would assist too.
Graviton lance: nobody has ever used this in endgame. It needs a damage bump and potential catalyst addition since it’s current catalyst is outdated and doesn’t help it in pve.
Vigilance wing: it’s a pvp pulse I guess but it’s catalyst will become outdated by witch queen. Some pve perk on its catalyst would be great imo.
Cerberus: just an idea but it’s base fire could be anti barrier and it’s alt fire could be unstoppable. This will definitely skyrocket it’s usage and viability in pve endgame.
Sweet business: it’s catalyst is outdated, it needs a rework. I definitely feel like killing tally on this weapon could VASTLY improve its pve viability.
Hard light: shield disorient or anti barrier could do this weapon nicely.
Any other exotic buffs, just mention in the comments. But if you didn’t see the trend, I think all exotic primaries should have some form of champion mod intrinsic to the gun.[/quote]
Outbreak is top tier with the catalyst. Sounds to me like you can’t hit your shots if you’re crying about outlaw.
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Ok we'll go ahead and run a GM/Master Raid with Outbreak and lemme know how it goes. It is good for low level content. Endgame content it is not good. Nothing is good, but Auto's are pretty bad unless you got a god roll with Vorpal and 4th X's.
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[quote]Ok we'll go ahead and run a GM/Master Raid with Outbreak and lemme know how it goes. It is good for low level content. Endgame content it is not good. Nothing is good, but Auto's are pretty bad unless you got a god roll with Vorpal and 4th X's.[/quote] So run nerd mode content that requires specific gear due to poor design and 1hko mechanics? Lulz ok I’ll get right on that.
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If only the weapon and catalyst were accessible. Prior to Shadowkeep, Bungie said they would work to get that and Whisper's catalyst back into the game. It has been a couple of years now. Bungie needs to re-add them into the pool and change the completion requirement to kill-based instead of for content that has been removed.
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The weapon is, catalyst isn’t
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You sound lost. Do you understand the difference between the two perks? In endgame there are many beefy enemies that won't go down with one clip and the Champion system prefers a dual primary loadout, so rapid hit over outlaw makes perfect sense. I think you just -blam!- around in pvp and patrol a lot
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bruh what rapid hit is definitely better than outlaw for the weapon’s purpose: sustained fire lmao
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Wtf is your logic dude stupidest -blam!- I’ve heard all day
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Its not that he cant hit his shots. Its that fact that we want faster reload after dumpin a whole clip on an enemy and is still alive.
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What endgame activities are you playing? Outbreak is great in all the low tier activities like legend NF's etc
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Some people would rather use weapons their comfortable with instead of the meta. Or use what they have since some people don't have the guns that is required. For me I love outbreak perfected and I would rather have rapid hit than outlaw since most enemies seem to survive on a slither of health. Rapid hit is better than outlaw. It's a simple fix bungie could do but it won't happen cuz it's not a favor weapon to bungie.
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Oh I totally agree & would love rapid hit on it.
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Legend NFs are NOT endgame activities btw.
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Edited by spideyfreak83: 1/6/2022 5:18:07 PMWas your response to me? GM's & master Vog are the only Endgame activities currently in the game. Everything else is easy mode 👍
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Try it in a grandmaster, you’ll want rapid hit too
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I think I know what I’m talking about. It’s literally my favourite weapon in the franchise and is my most used primary. It’s designed as a sustained damage weapon. Rapid hit supports the sustainability by giving it extra reload speed WHILE damaging. Outlaw restricts that.
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It’s designed as an ad/major clear weapon, sustained is just a benefit with a team but not it’s primary roll.
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Kind of but not really? It's catalyst ability to continually dump Nanoparticles into an enemy as you get -rapid precision hits- allows it to be a decent focus-damage weapon as well. And guess what champs are classified as? In high-end activities, that Rapid Hit would be a perfect upgrade from Outlaw.
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Not that it fixes it, but 1 pulse reloader on arms makes it have reallly good reload. Like actually makes it better
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Yeah, the hard consideration is for the high-end activity where your reload mod slots would be taken up by anti-champ mods instead.
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Well it takes a lot for me to use an exotic primary in GMs/Master Raids in general as special/heavy exotics are usually just better in every way lol
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It was designed before Champions were implimented. It needs updating. Everyone knows this if they pay attention.