That first sentence is not at all what the post said. It's a big difference between saying "Bungie this exotic is underpowered and forgotten about" and "Bungie you're all idiots I'm quitting the game, give me attention". They always have the resources to fix in game problems. Destiny won't one day hit a perfect where there's zero bugs and no outliers of balancing, and to think that Bungie's a failure for not being there now is really, just a bad take (to me).

[quote]That first sentence is not at all what the post said. It's a big difference between saying "Bungie this exotic is underpowered and forgotten about" and "Bungie you're all idiots I'm quitting the game, give me attention". They always have the resources to fix in game problems. Destiny won't one day hit a perfect where there's zero bugs and no outliers of balancing, and to think that Bungie's a failure for not being there now is really, just a bad take (to me).[/quote] Bungie is never there. That’s the issue. You can’t be a company that’s not only known for making mistakes basically every week but also known for not fixing those mistakes in a timely manner. Look at Bungie going on twitter trying to encourage people to lower their light level to “save” new light players from Bungie mistake. Yepp that’s right. Instead of just turning off the auto launch for dares they want other players to handicap themselves and go carry new light players. That’s the kind of business Bungie is. We would be here all day if we were to list all their mistakes that they took forever to fix (or just never did after years). Unless it’s something that effects them. If your cheesing PVE they will move in to action in a heart beat. But if something’s breaking PVP they will get back to you in 6-9 months. They have the resources to stop doing this. But they don’t ever fix it. So they are knowingly inviting the criticism by their actions and lack of actions.

Maybe you have to face the reality that changes aren't that easy to make. Something like disabling auto launch of an activity could cause way more bugs because believe it or not, it's not a switch next to a computer. I really suggest reading their tech blogs. They're really good reads into the process of bug fixing. That all being said, a post encouraging less toxicity shouldn't be met with the toxic mindset that they're specifically trying to discourage. It's getting ridiculous with the armchair developers in the forums, who act like they know more about D2's code than Bungie.

[quote]Maybe you have to face the reality that changes aren't that easy to make. Something like disabling auto launch of an activity could cause way more bugs because believe it or not, it's not a switch next to a computer. I really suggest reading their tech blogs. They're really good reads into the process of bug fixing. That all being said, a post encouraging less toxicity shouldn't be met with the toxic mindset that they're specifically trying to discourage. It's getting ridiculous with the armchair developers in the forums, who act like they know more about D2's code than Bungie.[/quote] If something as simple as stopping an activity from auto launching is that much work than they really need to rethink who they hire to build the game and how it’s coded. There are plenty of other devs out there that don’t need weeks to do simple things. No it’s not as simple as flipping a switch. But it’s also not much more complicated. You don’t need to be an engineer to see when someone has built something bad. Just like you don’t need to be a dev to see a company is doing something wrong. And if they are tired of “armchair devs” they really need to step it up. At this point and with Bungie history the only thing we can count on is everything being bugged when they release it. Its not anyone else fault that happens.

] Players who are booted into an activity at the start of the game likely isn't a toggle for Bungie. It's not a server side change like disabling an exotic, so it requires a patch to be scheduled. Changing that in the patch has to be tested, lest you want something like the izanagi's burden again. Bungie's really upped their game on hiring on new employees. On the forums I recall people saying that season of the lost was one of the smoothest launches in the franchise, with most bugs and glitches being fixed in 1-2 days. I think your concept of saying "Detiny's been out for XYZ and STILL has bugs? Bungos a failure and they're idiots" is still pretty petty, because the more you add/update to the game, the more likely patches will clash with older content (it's why the DCV exists).

Its not petty. If you’ve been doing the same things for 7+ years the same mistakes should not happen. The only way the same mistakes can occur over and over is if they don’t learn from past mistakes. Every content launch has issues. You bring up testing and patching and the like. Yeah that should be done BEFORE you take peoples money and release the content. That’s why companies pay QA testers. You can’t push back releases claiming you need time to polish everything and then still release an unpolished product. I don’t know of any other career in the world where you can constantly fail at the job and not only keep your job, but claim harassment when people point out your mistakes. If every time your boss assigned you a project you messed it up how long would you have a job? Not long I imagine. Hell if my boss didn’t fire me after constantly messing up I would quit just so I didn’t further ruin my career reputation. Bungie isn’t some mom and pop dev that relies of crowdfunding or something. They are beyond the point of being able to ask for forgiveness. Not when they are releasing expansions that cost more than a brand new AAA title. Don’t get me wrong. Bugs are going to happen. But when it’s the same exact bug over and over and over. Something is wrong on the dev side. And they need to figure out what that issue is before asking for more money from customers.

If you've really been waiting for a perfectly balanced, Bug free game then Destiny's really never going to be your type of game. You can call it incompetence all you want, but Bungie's QA team has gone up a lot. New content patches won't be flawless. They won't find every single possible way to get out of a map, somehow telesto will trigger a new perk or ability unintentionally, and it'll happen. Just because you think patching and catching everything is equally easy and gets easier over time (the opposite is the case, especially with Destiny) doesn't mean it's actually the case. I hope you find that perfect game out there that has zero balancing issues that has zero bugs.

[quote]]On the forums I recall people saying that season of the lost was one of the smoothest launches in the franchise, with most bugs and glitches being fixed in 1-2 days.[/quote] That's some revisionist history if I've ever seen it, there.

Is it really? Because the only time I had a shorter que time was during Beyond Light, and other people on the forums had the same. The people experiencing server problems had them fixed by the next couple days and it was all posts talking about SoTL

I totally agree. I’m not saying people shouldn’t complain. I just think that making rude comments that target all of the developers is a little unfair when decisions about the changes we want are in the hands of a (relatively) small group of people.

[quote]I totally agree. I’m not saying people shouldn’t complain. I just think that making rude comments that target all of the developers is a little unfair when decisions about the changes we want are in the hands of a (relatively) small group of people.[/quote] Its part of the job. The devs can’t just be let off the hook for their work…because it’s their work. Idk about you but if I was a really talented dev I wouldn’t be willing to let me skills go to waste on bs. Ive never allowed that to happen in my career as is. But if they elect to do that, that’s on them. And they have to deal with the reaction to their work. If I take my car to a shop and the mechanic that works on my car messes everything up I’m going to blame him. I don’t care what his boss said he was the one that did it. A lack of spine doesn’t exempt someone from criticism.