I personally think having some accolade or recognition of playing during a season when someone else didn’t is important. Maybe that is FOMO, but that’s how mmo’s work. New things get added, other things get removed from the earnable loot pool. Same principle as playing trials for adept weapons. If you don’t play the game and don’t do (X) to get (Y) reward, why should you get that reward? Idk. Lots of people get pissed at me for saying if you don’t play the game, there’s no reason to get the rewards. Things like the crucible and strike ornaments from the first year of the game represent being present and completing the relevant challenges. Those challenges aren’t in the game anymore. I didn’t play in season of the worthy, and didn’t get any of the armour ornaments or emotes or shaders (aside from the eververse shaders in bright engrams). When I see people wearing the armour or shaders relevant to challenges in that season, yeah, I’m envious, but I’m not up in arms that I can’t get them. I didn’t play the game - I don’t deserve the rewards. [spoiler]But hey, that’s just, like, my opinion, man. [/spoiler]

Also we’re not saying “if you don’t play the game, you should get the reward.” What we’re saying is “give us a chance to play the game and do everything everyone else did to get the reward, but just let us get it in an understandable time period” I think so many times people think we’re saying “we just want to be given something” When that’s not the case at all. We want to do exactly what others had to do, maybe even more, to get the item. All we’re asking for is a chance to try. Doesn’t it bother you at all that you’ve got these seals in your legacy section that will always remain incomplete?

I respect your opinion. I guess I’m just left wondering if there is any other way to cultivate importance in an MMO, or will this be the way moving forward to communicate importance? It has been for so long. A piece of armor, a seal earned in 2019 to show you played back then - it’s all meant to make you envious - and as far as getting up in arms about it: I would hardly call making a feedback comment on their forums where they won’t ever respond getting up in arms. Like I said, what I’m left wondering is if there is any other way. If they rotate items they would still be time limited. They would still showcase that someone played something sometime, exclusively - but I understand why you would think it’s important. When it comes to MMOs, it’s the majority of all we’ve known.

[quote]I respect your opinion. I guess I’m just left wondering if there is any other way to cultivate importance in an MMO, or will this be the way moving forward to communicate importance? It has been for so long. A piece of armor, a seal earned in 2019 to show you played back then - it’s all meant to make you envious - and as far as getting up in arms about it: I would hardly call making a feedback comment on their forums where they won’t ever respond getting up in arms. Like I said, what I’m left wondering is if there is any other way. If they rotate items they would still be time limited. They would still showcase that someone played something sometime, exclusively - but I understand why you would think it’s important. When it comes to MMOs, it’s the majority of all we’ve known.[/quote] In a loot-based game like this, I’m not sure what else could be used to show off other than armour, ornaments, shaders, emblems or titles. Your character and achievements are represented by the stuff you have. If things come back around, the players who played and earned those items have had their time and effort disrespected.

I personally have gotten many seals, and if they opened up an old seal, I wouldn’t feel disrespected at all. I’d want the other players, some probably new to the game, to have a chance at getting it. This being said, I do completely understand that the way it is set up is the way you describe. Take seasonal seals this season though - you can now get them outside of the season. Does that disrespect anyone’s time? To me, letting us know seals are retiring three months in advance, when we wouldn’t have time to complete many of them, is the true disrespect of time. Let’s say there was a seasonal sparrow that is sold at eververse later after the season is over. Does that disrespect that person’s time when they got it back in the season when it was released?

[quote]I personally have gotten many seals, and if they opened up an old seal, I wouldn’t feel disrespected at all. I’d want the other players, some probably new to the game, to have a chance at getting it. This being said, I do completely understand that the way it is set up is the way you describe. Take seasonal seals this season though - you can now get them outside of the season. Does that disrespect anyone’s time? To me, letting us know seals are retiring three months in advance, when we wouldn’t have time to complete many of them, is the true disrespect of time. Let’s say there was a seasonal sparrow that is sold at eververse later after the season is over. Does that disrespect that person’s time when they got it back in the season when it was released?[/quote] That’s fair, I can respect that your achievements aren’t reduced for you if those respective accolades were reintroduced. It does suck when you see someone using something, think “I want that”, and have that item not be accessible anymore. I think that more applies to weapons and armour though. I can see the Bungie side of things where someone might see something someone else has, find out that it’s not available, and think “man, something that cool might show up again, I’ll check out what each season offers and maybe I’ll get something cool”. I don’t know if that’s how people really think lol. Regarding seasonal seals that can be acquired outside of their respective seasons: I don’t think that disrespects anyone’s time, however, if one didn’t play during season of the hunt, I don’t think they can get the seal. Have the scout rifle Royal Chase and the grenade launcher Blast Battue been introduced into the world loot pool? One of the seal triumphs is to get kills with the season pass weapons, which I don’t think can be acquired through world drops. Maybe they are available from the Wrathborn hunts, I honestly don’t know - I haven’t played those at all this season. Regardless; more time to complete the seal isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but the seal cannot be completed if you didn’t play during that season. I think that’s an important distinction. Regarding your seasonal sparrow at Eververse example, the eververse items are a different type of item. They can only be earned through eververse, and when I see people with those, the only thing I think is “that is how this person decides to spend their money”. There is zero achievement tied to those items (in my opinion), and they mean nothing to me. If an item tied to an in-game achievement was sold at eververse, that would be a real slap in the face to me, if I had earned that item in-game. That is disrespecting my time.

Just to clear this up, Royal Chase and Blast Battue can be obtained from Wrathborn Hunts. Also, all seasonal seals released this year can be earned in any season, regardless of if you played in the original season. A new light joining right now could earn the Season of the Hunt seal and earn the Warden title. There is a unique portion to this for which you had to be there: if you want to buy (not free so most skip it) the in-real-life pin which they'll ship to you for completing the seal. You could pin it up on a jacket, bag, or even just form a collection if you were so inclined, but that stuff is also outside of the game. For inside Destiny 2, there is currently no difference between seasonal seals earnable this year for all seasons across all seasons.

But then they add things like monuments to post light to give old exotics a place to be obtained, kinda dumb how they say they wanna get rid of fomo but then don’t add the things people want

What is so insane to me is that their player base is so passionate, we would gladly do the tasks or spend whatever to get some of these items, but Bungie won’t rotate their content because they’re too afraid to abandon FOMO. For me, that panicky feeling that there will always be something I’m missing takes away from the fun and enjoyment of their game. I mean, what will we just forever have these seals in the legacy tab that say 6/13 forever?? That’s terrible game design in my opinion. There is no reason why, if you see a player with something cool - shader, title, armor, etc. that you shouldn’t be able to go get it at some point. Bungie wants you to see something cool, look it up on the internet, and realize you had to play the game 7 months ago to even have a shot at getting it and you’ll never get it in the future. The point I’m making: BUNGIE PUNISHES THEIR PLAYERS.

You get a panicky feeling when you are missing items in game?