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11/16/2020 1:12:37 PM
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Metallica is.. imho.. one of the most overrated bands in history. Music wise.
However, as a fan of music I can’t deny their influence. When the black album came out, it was the most “metal” music you could hear on MTV, the radio, etc. And because of them, the mainstream began to accept metal as a whole.
So the genre owes them a huge debt of gratitude. Their music is just kinda mediocre.
But this is also true for all of the most influential bands in history. Death, Kraftwerk, N.W.A., etc. None of them would be considered “great” by today’s standards. But their importance to music as a whole is undeniable.
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Edited by TheArtist: 11/18/2020 3:14:58 PMMusic progresses. Because the people who come after you learn from you and incorporate your innovations and make them common place. But in the process you’ve redefined the music. In the late 1970s. No one played rock/metal guitar like the late-Eddie Van Halen. No one. But Eddie learned an innovative fast-flowing way to play that unlocked the fretboard from a jazz-rock player named Alan Holdsworth. Added his own creativity and talent to it..and laid the ground work for modern heavy guitar. Guys like Steve Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen, and Joe Satriani pushed it even farther. Kirk Hammett and Metallica redefined metal by getting away from the blues-rock sound of bands like Van Halen. Instead going for a more punk rock/Thrash sound. Leaving behind the warm tube distortion sound of guys like Van Halen for a more harsh, disturbing digital distortion. They also brought a level of musicianship to their music that metal hadn’t seen before. They were great musicians who just happened to play metal... “...and Justice For All” and The Black Album put that on full display. I wasn’t a Metallica fan, and I nearly broke The Black Album CD I played it so much. Unforgiven still gives me chills to listen to it is such an cry of the heart to social alienation, and how society’s demand for conformity can damage and embitter people. Metallica music doesn’t sound innovative today, because today’s metal fan is listening to bands that were influenced and copied what Metallica did. So what was innovation in 1989 is simply what metal is right now in 2020. Their music isn’t mediocre. Far, far from it.
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Oh boy.. I could honestly write a small book explaining all the ways I think you’re incorrect. But I really don’t want to get into a giant pissing match with you, so I’ll simply say that I strongly disagree with your take on Metallica. Specifically the part about them “redefining” absolutely anything. Let’s just chalk it up to differences of opinion.
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Edited by TheArtist: 11/19/2020 2:03:32 PMGo for it. This isn’t a history lesson for me. I’m talking about events I lived through. People in 2020 don’t see Star Wars: A New Hope as innovative. Because they weren’t sitting in a theater in 1977 watching it, and realizing that (at the time) no one was making movies like that. Forty years later, everyone and their brother is because they started copying Lucas...and he got rich selling them the means to do it (Industrial Light and Magic). Metallica redefined the sound of metal because the music people were making before them sounds completely different than the music that came after them. That’s what transformational figures do. You don’t have to like them—-and I actually don’t like a lot of their music—-but you have to give them their due.
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[quote]This isn’t a history lesson for me. I’m talking about events I lived through. [/quote] Bro... you’re honestly barking up the wrong tree with this comment. I’m a 43 year old man who practically lived at the Ritz Theater in Tampa, FL during the 90’s. Trust me.. I’ve “lived through” more than a little bit of metal history myself. That doesn’t make my opinion any more valid than anyone else’s. But again. Let’s just disagree on this subject and move on.
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And I’m a 53 year old who plays music and studied the players I’m talking about. So feel free to disagree as much as you like. I’m telling you how musical influences work and why (over time) music that was once innovative becomes common place. Eric Clapton doesn’t sound innovative to modern ears, but Van Halen never stopped sing his praise and the role that devouring Claptons work played in developing his own voice. You may not like Metallica, but you can’t deny their place in the history of metal without making yourself sound silly. Because they influenced everything that came after them.
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Lol congratulations. You’re “telling me” exactly what I already said in my original post. If it makes you feel better to say it with more words, more power to you, dude. Literally everything else you’ve said is subjective opinion being passed off as fact because you “studied” them. 🤷♂️ Now.. for the third time.. agree to disagree and have a good day, man.
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Which is what I said in my first post, so you’re agreeing to disagree with your own opinion apparently. Art IS subjective. The only thing objective about it is technique.
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ffs.. I can’t tell if I’m terrible at conveying my point, or if you’re just so argumentative you’re refusing to see it. Either way, this grew old several posts ago. I’ll say this and then I’m done.. I said that I believe they’re influential and important to the metal scene. Not denying that. I just don’t believe that influence is related to being “groundbreaking” or original, or whatever word you want to use. That’s where the disagreement lies. I can tell you’re the “get the last word in” type of guy, so feel free to get it all out now so we can be done with this. -fin-
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The problem is your yeti to split hairs where there is no hair. As I said before, metal had a blues based sound before Metallica, and after them that blues sound was pushed out of the music and a much wider array of sounds started being heard. Metallica wasn’t solely responsible for that transformation by the fact is that they played a [i]very[/i] prominent role in it. They have 8 Grammy Awards as a band for a reason.
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Death still holds several candles to bands in the scene.
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This is the thing with lots of these famous so-called ‘pioneers’ of genres. Most of the time they were big and important when they started out but these days there are so many other people who do the same thing and they do or did it better that they aren’t really comparable. There are notable exceptions obviously, but for the most part the reasons they break into the mainstream are also the reasons they’re seen as mediocre now the genres have grown. Especially rock and metal.
