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*sigh* You guys haven't even bothered to skim the SLA, have you? [quote]THIS AGREEMENT IS SUBJECT TO BINDING ARBITRATION AND [u]A WAIVER OF CLASS ACTION RIGHTS[/u] AS DETAILED BELOW.[/quote][quote]The parties further agree that any arbitration shall be conducted in their individual capacities only and not as a class action or other representative action, and the parties expressly waive their right to file a class action or seek relief on a class basis. [/quote][quote]Live Content may be altered, removed, deleted, or discontinued by Bungie at any time (e.g., upon termination of this Agreement and/or cessation of online support for the Program), even if you have not “used” or “consumed” the Live Content prior to alteration, removal, deletion, or discontinuation.[/quote][quote]Bungie does not guarantee that any online services, play or features associated with the Program (collectively, “Online Services”) or Live Content will be available at all times or at any given time or that Bungie will continue to offer Online Services or Live Content for any particular length of time.[/quote][quote]YOU ASSUME ANY AND ALL RISK OF LOSS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TERMINATION OF ONLINE SERVICES AND ANY LOSS OF LIVE CONTENT OR OTHERWISE.[/quote] Also, on the topic of what you 'paid for', you never 'paid' for content. Not once. You have only paid for a licence to access that content... [quote]The Program is licensed, not sold, for your use. Your license confers no title or ownership in this Program, and should not be construed as a sale of any rights in this Program.[/quote] You want to stick it to the man? Decline the updates to the SLA and ask for a refund citing this clause in the agreement... [quote]If any future changes to this Agreement are unacceptable to you or cause you to no longer be in compliance with this Agreement, you may terminate this Agreement and receive a refund in accordance with this Agreement.[/quote]
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  • [quote]*sigh* You guys haven't even bothered to skim the SLA, have you? [quote]THIS AGREEMENT IS SUBJECT TO BINDING ARBITRATION AND [u]A WAIVER OF CLASS ACTION RIGHTS[/u] AS DETAILED BELOW.[/quote][quote]The parties further agree that any arbitration shall be conducted in their individual capacities only and not as a class action or other representative action, and the parties expressly waive their right to file a class action or seek relief on a class basis. [/quote][quote]Live Content may be altered, removed, deleted, or discontinued by Bungie at any time (e.g., upon termination of this Agreement and/or cessation of online support for the Program), even if you have not “used” or “consumed” the Live Content prior to alteration, removal, deletion, or discontinuation.[/quote][quote]Bungie does not guarantee that any online services, play or features associated with the Program (collectively, “Online Services”) or Live Content will be available at all times or at any given time or that Bungie will continue to offer Online Services or Live Content for any particular length of time.[/quote][quote]YOU ASSUME ANY AND ALL RISK OF LOSS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TERMINATION OF ONLINE SERVICES AND ANY LOSS OF LIVE CONTENT OR OTHERWISE.[/quote] Also, on the topic of what you 'paid for', you never 'paid' for content. Not once. You have only paid for a licence to access that content... [quote]The Program is licensed, not sold, for your use. Your license confers no title or ownership in this Program, and should not be construed as a sale of any rights in this Program.[/quote] You want to stick it to the man? Decline the updates to the SLA and ask for a refund citing this clause in the agreement... [quote]If any future changes to this Agreement are unacceptable to you or cause you to no longer be in compliance with this Agreement, you may terminate this Agreement and receive a refund in accordance with this Agreement.[/quote][/quote]

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  • So we're allowed to get a refund? Nice. I might just do that.

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  • GGs on that last part. Good to see some balance and reason in a post. Also good to see people have a legitimate route out.

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  • Upvoted specifically for the final section of the comment. That is awesome and I’m glad it’s included because it makes the comment fair. The rest is like, yeah it’s technically true, but if you think about the spirit of the law and not the letter it’s hard to think Bungie isn’t being shitty and then hiding behind the SLA. I don’t like the flavor of Bungie’s boot enough to tell other players they shouldn’t be upset to learn that content they paid for is being removed from the game.

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  • [quote]The rest is like, yeah it’s technically true, but if you think about the spirit of the law and not the letter it’s hard to think Bungie isn’t being shitty and then hiding behind the SLA.[/quote] Oh, they definitely are. Don't get me wrong. [quote]I don’t like the flavor of Bungie’s boot enough to tell other players they shouldn’t be upset to learn that content they paid for is being removed from the game.[/quote] I agree, it's definitely a shitty move, regardless of what the SLA says. Sure, you agree to let them make changes, but no one actually [i]expects[/i] them to do it. Doesn't make it any less of a bullshit move by Bungie. [quote]Upvoted specifically for the final section of the comment. That is awesome and I’m glad it’s included because it makes the comment fair.[/quote] Thanks, and for the record, I have actually used it and got a full refund for the game and the DLCs I bought. Just emailed Sony and quoted that line. About two weeks later, my PSN wallet was credited $180...

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  • [quote][quote]The rest is like, yeah it’s technically true, but if you think about the spirit of the law and not the letter it’s hard to think Bungie isn’t being shitty and then hiding behind the SLA.[/quote] Oh, they definitely are. Don't get me wrong. [quote]I don’t like the flavor of Bungie’s boot enough to tell other players they shouldn’t be upset to learn that content they paid for is being removed from the game.[/quote] I agree, it's definitely a shitty move, regardless of what the SLA says. Sure, you agree to let them make changes, but no one actually [i]expects[/i] them to do it. Doesn't make it any less of a bullshit move by Bungie. [quote]Upvoted specifically for the final section of the comment. That is awesome and I’m glad it’s included because it makes the comment fair.[/quote] Thanks, and for the record, I have actually used it and got a full refund for the game and the DLCs I bought. Just emailed Sony and quoted that line. About two weeks later, my PSN wallet was credited $180...[/quote] That’s good information to know. Especially for players who are upset by the DCV and will never get a forum response from a Bungie rep, but will have to hear from many other players who pretend like it’s not a bullshit move.

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  • They aren’t ready for this debate

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  • Lol good luck getting that refund

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  • Already got it ;) Got refunded for the base game and all the DLCs up to Forsaken (I never bought Shadowkeep). I think it worked out to $180-something?

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  • Hey at least that worked out. Wasn’t expecting them to honestly give a refund.

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  • Imagine where we would be right now as a society if people actually read the Terms of Service instead of completely skipping it 😆

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