For those saying Rasputin is protecting humanity and will protect humanity at all cost, Rasputin hasn't done any of that since the Golden Age, in fact he abandoned humanity to save his own ass while the Traveler sacrificed itself to save ours.
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That’s the rub. I think he is. Consider. Kraken Mare. A deep space [i]civilian[/i] probe found something he had to hide [i]from the invading Darkness[/i]. Well the only thing we know that was outside our solar system at that time was the Black Ships. You don’t have to hide our detecting them from them. The only thing you hide from the invaders is...stuff worth protecting. Which for him was people. Now when the scientists shuttle was blown up, the reason given was that Rasputin was trying to save as many people as he could. If you are wholly overwhelmed at your base, what do you do? Retreat and regroup. Now we know of a colony of survivors who are pacifist...but we have no idea [i]where[/i] they are. Lady Efrideet mentioned it. Colonies aren’t small, not easy to hide either. Wanna wager we have either a space station or a planetary base (on some dwarf planet) that has been in hiding this whole time? That would explain why he let humanity in system to fend for themselves. By protecting the unknown base, he ensured humanity survives. It’s shitty but that’s the sort of thing an AI would do. Sacrifice 99% so 1% can live and carry on. It fulfills it’s duties.
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Rasputin wanted to hide that data from humanity not the Darkness. That colony is not from the Golden Age, as far as we know it is made up of Risen who are pacifist and refused to fight for humanity of the Traveler and live in hiding with some fallen, if Shiro is to be believed. If there was a station or planet the Darkness or one of the various aliens invading would have found it despite the vastness of space. Rasputin abandoned humanity to protect himself, "cancel population protection objective, cancel counter-force objects and shut down for long hold reactivation" this was his last actions before going into sleep to protect himself.
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Edited by MC 077 Lasombra: 3/15/2020 1:57:38 AMThe issue with that is the timing. He didn’t revoke morality until he was about to shut down. After the Darkness has come in and kicked butt. This was at the [i]beginning[/i] of the invasion. Humanity hadn’t even realized what was going on, just that he rang the alarm. Like the Exo said, he was still trying to save people. Timing wise, cutting off a station full of people makes sense if they can’t help the fight. They’ll survive if they stay dark. A group of Risen can’t [i]make[/i] a space installation. They need to find one or rig it out of smaller parts. That’s a lot of effort. Cohabitating with Fallen...maybe. Given the known interactions, unlikely but maybe.
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Rasputin's morality was at twilight, which I think means he can kill a few if he thinks it's justified in order to save the many. I think you are underestimating how intelligent Risen are, the could have found a station or built one, it is within the abilities. The is also a piece of dialogue from spider that mentions there being golden age stations outside of the solar system, also I did not say that the hidden Risen were on a station.
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Yeah. He killed that pod to keep that discovery secret. Since his morality was still set on saving people, the deduction is clear. Whatever was out there, once cut off, could help humanity survive. The only way humanity survives is by people living. It’s not a matter of intelligence. You can [i]know[/i] how to build a station, which they weren’t born knowing so they would need to learn but it’s possible, but being able to [i]make it[/i] is wholly different. That is Golden Age mass industry. Something Dark Age Risen didn’t have. The City is barely making [i]ships[/i] in the present City Age. So to expect a group of Dark Age Risen to fabricate a space station is...stretching it. Since they are [i]known[/i] stations...it’s easy money to bet on them using one of those then making a new one. Spider can know about them but that doesn’t equate to cohabitating.
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His morality was set to save people by sacrificing a few that he deemed necessary until he decided to abandon humanity during the collapse, since then he has not helped humanity until recently when it benefited him. We don't know what was out there only that it seemed to scare the one who discovered it, don't quite remember. Once space capable you can use asteroids to create stations and with all that golden age tech lying about plus guardian intelligence it is no that far fetched. I don't mean spider cohabiting with those Risen, I just meant that he is aware of stations out there, where they are inhabited is unknown. Shiro is the one who mentioned the Risen hidden out one the edges of the system being bug hugers and the only ones referred to as bug in destiny are the fallen.
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Oh no, his morality wasn’t at ‘kill a few to save many’, it was ‘do whatever it takes to save a few’. He knew right off the bat this was going to be a nightmare. Rasputins morality didn’t change until later in the invasion after the Traveler got its butt kicked. He was fighting IT all the way up till then. So when he destroyed that data he was still in saving humanity mode due to how early in the invasion it took place. The timing is crucial. Keep it in mind. So he didn’t destroy it to hide it from humanity. He destroyed it because it would help save humanity. You can’t save humanity without [i]people[/i] being alive. We had stations in space outside the system. The probe found something outside the system. Something that didn’t cause the scientist to immediately ring any alarms. Therefore, it wasn’t something to be considered a threat. It’s an easy connection. Chop shopping a station that way requires you to chop up ships and other stations for parts. You’re better off utilizing a premade station that’s intact or fixing it up. You can make a bolt hole easy enough in asteroids. A station for people to [i]live in[/i] requires a lot more then four walls. Air, food, pressurized, radiation protection... To me it’s more outlandish to think some people didn’t survive in remote space stations. I mean...humans survived the Collapse at the epicenter of the fighting. How could a remote station off the grid not also survive? Because it makes sense in an odd way. They would of survived the Collapse and the centuries since by hiding and not fighting as much as possible. Can’t be a target if they don’t know about you. Plus...there is the problem of having enough Guardians quit fighting [i]and[/i] find the location to be of any size worth being called a “colony” and not a group. A few Guardians mingling with humans and a few Fallen who opted out of the conflict? Makes more sense. I mean sure, Bungie has no problem ham fisting things into the story. I tend to lean towards making sense when writing myself.
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His morality was to save humanity even if it meant killing a few, midnight is without morals, just wining. Rasputin went into hiding before the Traveler pushed back the Darkness, he witnessed the Traveler fight the Darkness and injure itself but Rasputin had already shut down Son's defenses. He had no idea what the darkness was capable of, the data was from a probe that found something outside the system, we don't know what it found the made the data too dangerous for people to know about. You can't save people if you don't do anything and Rasputin hasn't been doing anything that saves humanity since the coĺlapse, He is incapable of fighting the Darkness. Whatever the probe found was enough to spook the scientist into believing that it could not be kept secret, enough that they were willing to risk everything on telling humanity. Or it was a threat that would cause humanity to fall into panic and fear which would not help matter. I meant hollow out and asteroid to use as a station, asteroid itself would provide protecting and space all you would need is life support and a supply if food, all of which would be possible with even broken remnants of golden age tech plus ghosts. Humanity survived because the traveler protected them, every ship that tried to escape the system was lost as far as we know, the Darkness was thorough. There are even more that talks about an outpost that was about 10bor so light years from earth on an extrasolar planet that was under attack. The problem with those who stop fighting is that the Darkness doesn't care if you are a pacifist, it is going to kill you and if the city and Traveler fall all of reality falls with it.