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2/5/2020 4:31:25 PM
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Just read where DMG04 talks about a fusion rifle rework.
Can we ever have a decent PVE weapon type not be nerfed or reworked into oblivion because of PVP. It’s just not that common in low to mid-level PVP to be killed by fusions. Maybe, and I mean maybe, in high level PVP. Shotgun apes everywhere is going to be an even bigger problem than fusion ever will be or are. Crybaby PVP players need STFU!
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The people of Bungie are useless
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6 Replieserentil needs a nerf badly. You don't see it a lot in the lower glory rank, hell even in 6v6's. But in higher tier glory.. It's all you -blam!-in see. god damn hunters everywhere with their bullshit erentil that out kills every other weapon in the game. So yes, it needs a nerf. There are plenty other fusion rifles you guys can use in pve. Like Jotunn is -blam!-ing awesome in pve. Why use any other fusion rifle if that's what you want to use. You can't kill 5 enemies with a regular fusion rifle with one bullet. But with a jotunn, you can.
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2 Repliesfusions are everywhere in pvp and they are so broken, Destiny 1 fusions were really good weapons, much more balanced than D2s version that basically Perform Linear Fusion Rifles
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10 RepliesYeah I highly doubt fusions are a huge PvE prospect. People are either rocking shotguns, or snipers. Let’s be honest, what those two can do a fusion rifle could never, even with the effectiveness being boosted I’ve never felt compelled to use one over those two types, and I rarely see anyone using a fusion in raids. It’s a weird awkward weapon, it isn’t an ad clearer, but it isn’t that great at killing majors/ultras. It doesn’t do good boss dps anymore, once the boots got reworked. Honestly, I’m my opinion, fusions need to be the first utility type weapon. Solar to always causing a burning effect that causes the enemy to be disoriented, decreasing its accuracy and tracking. Shock to cause the enemy to stun, or cause weapon malfunction. Void to reduce the damage the enemy does. How the weapons do damage could make it better. Solar can spread the burn effect, to give that ad control Shock can jump to other enemies Void can have tiny explosions like telesto, but that helps the effect spread. The shots have to land on the target though. Not every weapon has to be a dps monster, and fusions can be the first utility type weapons that can have a place in low and high activity play.
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1 ReplyThe entire nerfing shit has got me to the point of not careing any more. Why even bother going after something really nice when its going to get nerfed.. If bungie put just 10% of the speed and effort into buffing stuff instead of nerfing everything, the game would be much more fun.
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4 RepliesRemove backup plan and reduce range. Completely fine with fusions and I love loaded question in gambit and pve content. But in pvp the 1hk range from erintil is just a tad too much. But I have the same complaint with shotguns. I think the only shotguns that should 1hk from 7+ meters are sluggys.
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20 RepliesEdited by UnspokenONI: 2/7/2020 6:48:40 PMbeside loaded question and telesto and jotunn and 1k (edit:or quest) who uses fusion in PvE???
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1 ReplyHe didn't say jack about the changes, nor do people know the extent of said changes. But up in arms regardless...
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[quote]Can we ever have a decent PVE weapon type not be nerfed or reworked into oblivion because of PVP. It’s just not that common in low to mid-level PVP to be killed by fusions. Maybe, and I mean maybe, in high level PVP. Shotgun apes everywhere is going to be an even bigger problem than fusion ever will be or are. Crybaby PVP players need STFU![/quote] They just need to make them not hit scan and have them like they were in D1.
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6 RepliesEdited by piratepatchy243: 2/7/2020 11:59:44 AMI hope they don't -blam!- them, I have no doubt they will though. They just need to touch range( firmly planted ) and charge( backup plan ), anything else could just -blam!- all fusion rifles. It's quite funny one fusion rifle has garnered this, in a meta that's primarily shotguns.
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Even if they nerf it fusions are still going to be able to blast people away before they can get close to you. It’s not gonna change much, as someone who has used fusions for like 5 years it’s always been the case. That video by cool guy was very revealing but it’s not gonna change much for most fusion users if they nerf the range.
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18 Replieslol if u think fusions will be ruined due to pve
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4 RepliesEdited by Deadly Peanut: 2/6/2020 8:09:50 AMi second your emotion, OP Dev nerfing weapons PvE players have taken hours to farm and enjoy using will anger PvE players and lead to PvE players leaving the game, as well as trashing the game in reviews and forums. personally i use fusion rifles in almost all of my loadouts for PvE and i would be pissed if my favorite weapons that i spent a long time farming got nerfed. the problem is taking weapons used in both PvE and PvP and creating balance in two wildly different environments. possible solution: variations of weapons that kick in when a player enters PvP. so fusion rifles behave one way in PvE and another way in PvP. this might be very difficult to program. another solution: ban weapons in PvP that are by nature unbalanced. DON'T nerf them. BAN them in PvP. this would allow players in PvE to continue to enjoy them.
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They don’t even need touching on pc... very average guns
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Good.
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Honestly making them projectile based weapons instead of hitscan shouldn't affect them much in pve.
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Literally all they had to do was change Backup Plan. Fusion rifles are trash compared to shotguns and snipers in PvE lol. And backup plan wasnt even all that useful in PvE either
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[quote]Can we ever have a decent PVE weapon type not be nerfed or reworked into oblivion because of PVP. It’s just not that common in low to mid-level PVP to be killed by fusions. Maybe, and I mean maybe, in high level PVP. Shotgun apes everywhere is going to be an even bigger problem than fusion ever will be or are. Crybaby PVP players need STFU![/quote] So in tldr what you want is to have hard hitting fusion rifles have the range of a sniper
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I'm fully prepared to see Erentil get nerfed into oblivion without Bungie even mentioning things like Mindbender's, The Last Word or Beloved..you know, the actual problem weapons that literally rule top play where Erentil is virtually non-existent.
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PvP most of the time is the issue with powerful weapons. For PvE it doesn't matter where in PvP they cause big issues. Maybe they should make a load out screen. One load out for PvE where you can select any item you want on your guardian. For your PvP loadout you can only select PvP allowed items.
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9 RepliesWho using Fusions in PvE, one of if not the worst choices to pick
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1 Reply[quote]Can we ever have a decent PVE weapon type not be nerfed or reworked into oblivion because of PVP[/quote] No. As long as PVP and PVE are forced to share the same sandbox, and Bungie wont' allow primaries to kill faster. We'll just keep watching Bungie do the same things over and over again, while expecting a different result each time. [i] Nerf fusion rifles----again---baby!. [/i] Getting killed by a fusion rifle is an infrequent event at EVERY level of the game, unless you're a player that moves in straight lines and makes poor use of cover.
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1 ReplyEdited by NeoReaper82: 2/6/2020 7:54:57 PM[quote]Crybaby PVP players need STFU![/quote] LMFAO at the irony. You're just another shitty player mad his crutches are getting nerfed.
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4 RepliesHow is a range nerf even going to effect pve? Are you seriously sitting back from 60+ m and trying to snipe adds with a fusion? I doubt it.
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Oohh MY CRUTCH!
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18 RepliesThe scrubs below that say “special ammo economy is the problem” don’t have a clue what they are talking about. Chances are they don’t have thumbs as otherwise it would be apparent that a 3 tap to the head via primary weapon gets the job done pretty efficiently also. Yeah kills come easier with a shotgun, sniper, or fusion. Save your crying for your mama. Special ammo economy is not the problem you dumb dumbs. If you have a problem getting 1HK by special ammo type weapons go find another generic PvP game to play and quit trying to turn this game into one. This game is /used to be, about space magic and being bad ass. Bungie have already done damage to this persona/gameplay and you don’t need to encourage them to ruin the game even more. Go play Halo or Overwatch. Losers.
