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originally posted in: NERF ERENTIL AND BACKUP PLAN
Edited by WulfPak666: 1/16/2020 12:55:03 AM
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Erentil, Elatha, even Wizend Rebuke and the new Gallant Charge can all map people. If anything it's a issue with high impact fusions. I'd agrue Erentil is most common since you can print it on demand in Menagerie. The only thing broken about them is Back up Plan. Literally takes the only negative about them (slow charge time) and says "nah fam." But in survival, don't you play to win? To win you gotta play meta trash. So of course Erentil is gonna be excessive in comp. But so is Luna/NF and you can't use both those and Erentil at the same time.
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  • High impact fusions need a range cap and nothing major but it’ll really put them in a better place. When ppl say fusions are hardly used it is just absurd though.

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  • Aside from Erentil and Telesto from time to time, I don't think I ever get killed by fusion rifles in pvp. They are almost non-existent from my experience, which is a shame because they are quite good.

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  • Edited by Infected-PeterGryphon: 1/16/2020 1:28:59 AM
    Okay, so take it out of Managerie so you can't farm the rolls, tweak it's range and take "backup plan" off. I agree with removing backup plan, but there's no denying that the range is a pain to deal with as well. On console, fusion rifles are everywhere, but on PC they're used way less. Lord of wolves is probably the bane of PC users, while Erentil is the bane of console users. Yes, you play to win in survival, I get it. But, if Erentil wasn't so toxic and meta, maybe it would make room for other weapons that take skill to use to take it's place. My point is, take away Erentil from the hands of people who can't use a gun and make them learn to play instead of running around zapping people across long distances instantly with backup plan and not even using their primary the whole match.

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  • Edited by WulfPak666: 1/16/2020 2:01:31 AM
    All Erentil and fusion rifles are doing in general is giving people who can't shotgun a counter to the shotgun apes. I didn't see Erentil getting this much flak post Foresaken since the meta was basically ruled by Dust Rock and Luna, but Erentil was just as bonkers back than as it is now. So what changed exactly? I see a lot of YouTubers pushing people to use Mindbenders now... This must be their way of trying to push Erentil out, hmm? Go farm Menagerie for a Dust Rock and keep the DRB/Luna meta strong. lol I give most of the blame to scavenger perks. Sure, getting mapped by Erentil is a pain in the ass, but since 50% of most lobbies have people running a special weapon, ammo is a plenty and one brick can give up almost 5-6 shots if you have the right mods on. Now that scrubby Erentil dude who could maybe get 1 or 2 kills before getting slain can now get 3,4,5? 6+ before going down. If it does catch a nerf, drop Backup Plan and give it a hash damage drop off so the furthest you could possibly get a 1 bang is roughly 20-25m, 30m if everything lines up and your opponent is just playing recklessly. That would make shotguns rule the close range, Fusions take the mid and snipers have the extended range. But then with that change you are also screwing over the other fusions rifles unless Bungie specifically targets the High Impact class fusions for this change. It'd be another one of Bungies "exotic handcannons are doing well so let's nerf all handcannons" type of crap just like in D1.

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  • agreed, thanks for your non-negative comment. I only use sidearm/lunas, sniper/lunas or shotgun/lunas in comp. Mainly because I'm going for not forgotten. But it just irks me on so many levels that the amount of hrs I've put in this game and time I've spent learning, playing and watching videos on how to actually be better at the game and at gun play just washes down the drain when a fusion rifle charges up around the corner and zaps me out of nowhere aiming at my body and not my head and getting a free pass to their next rank while my rank drops and I have to work even harder to get my glory back. People complain about shotguns, but you can see them coming most of the time unless you're ADS. However, you can't see a fusion rifle charging around the corner by a camper, until it's too late.

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  • Oh boy, I can rant for hours about how much I hate shotguns but my phone battery won't last that long and my friend has put it better than anyone else has, "it's a necessity to run a shotgun because if you don't have one, the people rushing you will." I ask him, why not just use Erentil since it's "Soo broken" and he refuses. I think it's a pride thing. Like he'd rather get unlucky in a shotgun duel then no brain voop someone just because he can. Luna and NF will always be my bread and butter. Ya, I suck with em (funny huh?) But I've used them for so long they are basically super glued to my hands. I think I have almost 50k kills with NF in pve because Mag Howl used to murder majors like it was nobodies business lol. I try not to be negative in replies but I can't determine the tone by which someone reads a post. I could be agreeing with someone 100% and make an obvious joke and all of sudden I'm a troll and a piece of crap 😒 Good luck and godspeed on your NF grind. It's gonna be stressful since the sandbox meta kinda sucks now, but if you love Luna, NF is awesome. I just wish it had Rapid hit in place of zen moment. It kinda needs a reload speed buff tbh. 😎👍

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