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7/17/2019 11:34:58 AM
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Remove people that want things that other people genuinely enjoy removed just because they personally dont enjoy it
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No need... Just for the love of god, make it so we don't have to ever play it... That is all you would need, then Grinders can go in and waste their time and I don't have to. I don't want to take things away from people, I want to see people have more options.
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By saying don’t force it do you mean no pvp pinnacles or no pvp milestones, or no exotic quests with pvp steps, Those aren’t forced. Aswell something along the lines of last word, the gun is in every way a pvp weapon, so you cannot logically say to people there shouldn’t be a pvp step. It just seems a little dumb
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Edited by SwankyButters: 7/17/2019 1:02:30 PMI never understood why PvP and PvE players can't grind and get what they want, where they want. How does that take away anything from anyone? This blocking off of stuff is what's really hurt this game. It continues to hurt this game.
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There should always be a divide for pinnacle weapons, majority of people playing this game would much rather get 100 hand cannon headshots in strikes than in comp. Havig good weapons locked behind competitive is completely fine, fables isn’t hard to get, I liken it to a flawless trails run in d1. Without these weapons people that primarily play pvp won’t have anything to strive for. And the whole argument of no pvp pinnacle should be the best option in pve is stupid because many of the perks that are good in pvp/pve are good in both. Also it hurts to here it, if you aren’t good at pvp don’t expect to get the best pvp weapons. See what happened at the beginning of d2 there were no random rolls, many of the exotics were quests, for casual players that was fine, but for people that were putting time into the game it felt like a waste.
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[quote]By saying don’t force it do you mean no pvp pinnacles or no pvp milestones, or no exotic quests with pvp steps, Those aren’t forced. Aswell something along the lines of last word, the gun is in every way a pvp weapon, so you cannot logically say to people there shouldn’t be a pvp step. It just seems a little dumb[/quote] How about you dont continually put the best PVE weapons behind a pvp pinnacle wall? Thatd be a solid first step. Purpose, Mountaintop, Recluse and Burning Eye.
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I stated this earlier but many good pvp perks are good in pve that’s just because the best perks are the best in both, aswell the argument shouldn’t be why are the pvp pinnacles so good in pve the better option is why do the vanguard ones suck, why can’t Bungie develop fun and good weapons for pve and the answer is, no matter how they do it if the perk balance is going to stay the same the best perks are always going to be a combination of faster reload and more damage after a kill and that’s what recluse does. MT is only good because of the buff to grenade launchers and it’s a primary. Bungie needs to buff/develop perks that could have some real versatility like dragon fly. They are making improvements though shown by one to punch a perk that doesn’t outright increase damage to a gun, but has some really good synergy with certain builds
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[quote]I stated this earlier but many good pvp perks are good in pve that’s just because the best perks are the best in both, aswell the argument shouldn’t be why are the pvp pinnacles so good in pve the better option is why do the vanguard ones suck, why can’t Bungie develop fun and good weapons for pve and the answer is, no matter how they do it if the perk balance is going to stay the same the best perks are always going to be a combination of faster reload and more damage after a kill and that’s what recluse does. MT is only good because of the buff to grenade launchers and it’s a primary. Bungie needs to buff/develop perks that could have some real versatility like dragon fly. They are making improvements though shown by one to punch a perk that doesn’t outright increase damage to a gun, but has some really good synergy with certain builds[/quote] So exactly. There should be a PVE obtainable version of every single PVP pinnacle weapon. End of story.
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No, this argument is so dumb “I’m not good enough to get recluse, Bungie has give it a pve quest” that is so self entitled that’s like asking a professional football player asking if he can play the Super Bowl against a highschool team because he’s not good enough to win a Super Bowl. Certain rewards should be left behind a skill wall, what’s the point of getting better at anything if you are not rewarded, this is why raises and promotions exist in the corporate world rewards for good performance
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Edited by High Noon at Jötunn Saloon: 7/17/2019 4:27:29 PM[quote]No, this argument is so dumb “I’m not good enough to get recluse, Bungie has give it a pve quest” that is so self entitled that’s like asking a professional football player asking if he can play the Super Bowl against a highschool team because he’s not good enough to win a Super Bowl. Certain rewards should be left behind a skill wall, what’s the point of getting better at anything if you are not rewarded, this is why raises and promotions exist in the corporate world rewards for good performance[/quote] I have every PvP pinnacle weapon besides Not Forgotten. So, please dont assume my opinion is based off lack of skill. The majority of players do not enjoy the pvp experience. No top Tier PVE weapon should only be available through pvp. That's what's dumb. And it's a clear and continuous attempt by Bungie to bolster their pvp numbers to make it seem like people want to play when most dont. Edit: I also cannot stand when people try to implement real world lessons into these debates. It's a videogame. It is to most of us just a stress release and means to enjoy time. I dont need life lessons from you or a game. I'll forever be winning at life over you I promise. Muted.
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