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11/20/2018 4:57:21 PM
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Jesus knew what was gonna happen to Him and look at what He did
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ahhhh... There is one of you in OffTopic?! If I want a religious discussion I'll go to a religious chat. Why must you peddle your magical sky daddy garbage here?
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Call it whatever you like. Welcome to offtopic. We are many and are all around. You just need to know where to look
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Edited by manmythlegend1: 11/20/2018 9:47:25 PMI know there are many, and yes, you are all around. But, I don't need to know were to look, It pops up without me even trying, and that's the problem.
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If you don’t like it, I don’t know what to tell you
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Edited by manmythlegend1: 11/21/2018 3:32:57 PMI'm not asking you to tell me what to do. I'm asking you to recognize that there is a time where things like this are welcome and appreciated, and there are other times when its annoying and patronizing. This certainly is more of the latter for me and I fully understand that I don't speak for everyone, but you didn't even answer the question asked. You simply inserted Jesus into this weirdly cryptic pseudo answer. I don't randomly insert my beliefs, or lack thereof, into conversations unless its specifically asked for. I think most would appreciate the same kindness in return.
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Dude. It’s part of who I am. If you don’t like it, ignore it
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Edited by manmythlegend1: 11/21/2018 6:50:37 PMOK.... Thats fair, however, if that is your only defense, then part of you is inconsiderate. Is that what your Jesus teaches you? Normally at this point I get a response something along the lines of "The good book tells us to spread the word".. so let me answer that defense too. Firstly, if a book tells you to be inconsiderate, then perhaps that book should to be questioned a bit, shouldn't it? I tend to adopt the Votairian idea that "i may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." but I say the same thing about racists and terrorists. You're, of course, allowed to say it but it doesn't mean that what you say is welcome, appreciated, or even correct. If you weren't given permission or in some cases, encouragement, by your religion to proselytize, even if its unwelcome, we would all get along much better. I would love to ignore it, but that's not an option when people like you insist on inserting their religion into everything whether it's asked for or not. I didn't go to a religious forum. I didn't go to a church/synagogue/temple. It was you that brought it here to a completely secular forum on a secular question.
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And you’re the one who responded to me. Had you not responded, we would not be discussing this now would we? You are going to hear this stuff. If you don’t like it, you can ignore it. I’m not shoving it down your throat or in anybody’s face. You made the choice to respond and react instead of moving on, this is the result. [spoiler]Yes I am very blunt, I’m not in a good mood right now and I’m don’t want to deal with this crap. [/spoiler]
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so basically you're saying "Ignore it because I'm an inconsiderate zealot, and don't care about anyone else who doesn't share my beliefs." Thanks... good to know where you stand, and thank you for giving me yet another example of this "Christian love" I hear so much about.
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[quote]so basically you're saying "Ignore it because I'm an inconsiderate zealot, and don't care about anyone else who doesn't share my beliefs." Thanks... good to know where you stand, and thank you for giving me yet another example of this "Christian love" I hear so much about.[/quote] No I’m not an inconsiderate zealot. I’m not shoving this down anyone’s throat or anything. You guys are the ones making a big deal out of this. And unless you come to me out of interest, I won’t be able to get through to you. I’ve tried many times before on here to reach out and people don’t accept it. So I am just here. If you say I’m shoving it down your throats with my username I’m not. I’m just here. If this offends you then you shouldn’t be in the internet.
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Edited by manmythlegend1: 11/26/2018 5:00:08 PMYes, you are just here.... And many like you are everywhere. Casually (or forcibly, in rarer cases) announcing to the world what you believe when [b]it's not invited or asked for[/b]. If someone isn't asking about your religion, then the respectful thing to do would be to leave your religion out of it. Isn't it? If its asked for I would think you would be more than warranted and I would encourage you to go into great detail with as much details, bible verses, and information as you want. If you cared about others you would leave your religion out of it, but you don't do that, which leads me to the conclusion that you don't care, which lends credence to the idea of you being inconsiderate. So I call you inconsiderate... Next, since your religion is such a part of you that you apparently announce it without consideration for others, i can, with good reason, deem you a zealot. You can claim you're not an inconsiderate zealot, but your actions lead to the very reasonable conclusion that you are. I never said you were "shoving it down my throat". I would say that verbiage is a little too strong. Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not offended either. My feelings are more akin to the exasperation a teacher feels when he/she has that one slow kid in class that just isn't quite getting it, and it's slowing down the progress of everyone else. "If a question isn't about religion....maybe I don't answer with religion." It's a simple idea, i'm not sure why it's so hard for you to understand. I'm hoping by taking this time to break it down and explain it this way you can see the other side and maybe understand anothers pov. But if you tell me you don't care, and you're only suggestion is "ignore me" then I can admit that my time is being wasted and can see that this is a lost opportunity. I thought maybe I could give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you were a rational human being worthy trying to have a reasonable conversation with, but I'm a big enough man to admit I am wrong, but hey, it was worth a try. Thanks for chatting.
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[quote]Yes, you are just here.... And many like you are everywhere. Casually (or forcibly, in rarer cases) announcing to the world what you believe when [b]it's not invited or asked for[/b]. If someone isn't asking about your religion, then the respectful thing to do would be to leave your religion out of it. Isn't it? If its asked for I would think you would be more than warranted and I would encourage you to go into great detail with as much details, bible verses, and information as you want. If you cared about others you would leave your religion out of it, but you don't do that, which leads me to the conclusion that you don't care, which lends credence to the idea of you being inconsiderate. So I call you inconsiderate... Next, since your religion is such a part of you that you apparently announce it without consideration for others, i can, with good reason, deem you a zealot. You can claim you're not a inconsiderate zealot, but your actions lead to the very reasonable conclusion that you are. I never said you were "shoving it down my throat". I would say that verbiage is a little too strong. Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not offended either. My feelings are more akin to the exasperation a teacher feels when he/she has that one slow kid in class that just isn't quite getting it, and it's slowing down the progress of everyone else. "If a question isn't about religion....maybe I don't answer with religion." It's a simple idea, i'm not sure why it's so hard for you to understand. I'm hoping by taking this time to break it down and explain it this way you can see the other side and maybe understand anothers pov. But if you tell me you don't care, and you're only suggestion is "ignore me" then I can admit that my time is being wasted and can see that this is a lost opportunity. I thought maybe I could give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you were a rational human being worthy trying to have a reasonable conversation with, but I'm a big enough man to admit I am wrong, but hey, it was worth a try. Thanks for chatting.[/quote] Since when is it disrespectful to bring up religion? Are their any other big topics that are [i]disrespectful[/i] to bring up? And I do care about you. Which is why I brought it up. Once again, if you can’t handle one mention of religion, I don’t know what to tell you other then you are super sensitive and I can’t help you. You implied it though And I’ll say this again. You are the one who started this by replying to me. If you find things in life that annoy you, whatever they may be, ignore them or move past them. That’s my advice. It something bothers you on the internet, ignore it. I never said that I don’t care about you. I do. But when you said I’m bothering you and I’m being forceful with this, I’m not. You can scroll down past the post and ignore it.
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Everyone has the right to an opinion on their own belief and the right to say what they want to say about it. You chose to comment and interact. All he was doing was giving an example of a man that already knew the time and place of his death. It wasn’t a spiritual ploy to throw religion in your face, he was giving an answer of the outcome to the question that was asked.
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Edited by manmythlegend1: 11/21/2018 6:51:21 PMAgreed, everyone does have the right to their own beliefs... and agreed, they have the right to say it whenever they want. I'm not saying someone CAN'T proselytize, I am saying out of decency and respect, someone SHOULDN'T in places where its not warranted or expected. There are appropriate places to introduce certain topics and then there isn't. This is a clear case of "isn't". The question didn't ask WWJD, the question asked us each individually. No mention of a third party, Jesus or otherwise, was asked for, and therefore not warranted in respectful conversation.
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You are right, that there is an appropriate time for mentioning Jesus or God. However, I feel as though this was an appropriate time as he was giving his answer based on his beliefs but also knowing how he himself felt about the question. It was never a WWJD post but as he stated, that’s part of who he is so his answer was warranted. Also if you don’t want to see it, then mute/block/ignore.
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Not quite, lucky. Let me try to explain it this way... If i ask YOU what your favorite color is, and you reply with "johns favorite color is green", you didn't really answer my question, did you? ... Or maybe, I am to infer that because you told me johns favorite color is green, I am to assume that you always follow what John likes and ergo, I can infer that your favorite color is green. This is fine, your favorite color can be green, idc. But bringing john's opinion into the mix was irrelevant to the question I asked. Wasn't it? Why wouldn't you just say "my favorite color is green". I don't mute or block people simply because I disagree with them. I don't bury my head in the sand or run away from things I don't agree with. I don't need an internet "safe space". I try to dicuss things rationally and intelligently so that understandings can be reached. I'm taking the time and effort to try to help one person, now two since you joined the convo, see what I'm seeing and maybe learn about the other side just a little bit.
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Took it like a boss?
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No. He pleaded for God to let someone else do it if it was His will. When God said no, Jesus went through with it
