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11/8/2018 6:53:33 PM
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Stressful times.
Narcissistic and angry society.
Easy way to vent your rage and get national attention, and make the world do what you want for a change.
The real question is why are these shooters overwhelmingly white and male?
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[quote] The real question is why are these shooters overwhelmingly white and male?[/quote] Because we are the majority.
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Edited by TheArtist: 11/9/2018 2:08:15 PMNot that simple. If that were the case, then you'd see other ethnic groups being represented among the perpetrators in proportion to their percentage of he population. When the fact is the perpetrators of these mass casualty grimes are almost exclusively white-and-male....or Muslim-and-male. The latter being due to having been radicalized politically. The cause for the former......???? (I don't know, I'm simply asking....) For example you'll occasionally see people of color turn up in the ranks of serial killers. That Atlanta abductions and murders. The Nightstalker. The DC Shooters. Being a serial killer seems to be an "equal opportunity evil" in a way that being a mass murderer striking at random clearly isn't. I'm not familiar with a person of color having committed one these random shootings (who was not a Muslim motivated by radical politics) since Viriginia Tech......and there hasn't been an African-American that I'm aware of since Colin Ferguson's Long Island Railroad killing spree back in 1993.
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Edited by Unicorn Goo: 11/9/2018 3:21:39 PM[quote]If that were the case, then you'd see other ethnic groups being represented among the perpetrators in proportion to their percentage of he population.[/quote] And what are those percentages? Jeopardy theme song ensues while you Google it.....
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/ Hard to get a clean data set, but here are the best raw numbers that I can find. These numbers show what is a pretty proportional representation of various ethnic groups...... ....but the government agencies that compile the number don't categorize the crimes in the way in which we are trying to discuss here. So a number of crimes that we would consider different, they in fact consider the same. IOW, what we are discussing the FBI would simply consider to be a "Mass Public Shooting". Which is a mass shooting...in a public place....where 4 or more people are killed....and there is no other criminal motive. So the kind random shooting that took place in the Pittsburgh Synagogue.....and the "disgruntled worker" who goes in and shoots up his place of work after getting fired are classified as similar crimes. While the mechanics of the crime are different. One, being purely random.....and the other one starting out with a personal motive, but then expands into something greater. So the situation we're wanting to look at is buried within a mix of data involving crimes (like workplace mass shootings) that are more "equal opportunity" in terms of their perpetrators.
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That's odd.... White people make up 72.4% of the population and 56.7% of mass shooters. A decrease compared to population percentage. Black people make up 12.6% of the population and 16.3% of mass shooters. An increase compared to population percentage. Which contradicts the statement you made below... [quote]If that were the case, then you'd see other ethnic groups being represented among the perpetrators in proportion to their percentage of he population.[/quote] And, if you really think about it, shows your racism....
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Seriously, dude. Are you that simple-minded...or do you just not read ANYTHING beyond what you need to do to validate your own confirmation bias?? I already EXPLAINED that in looking at the numbers, you're trying to find a particular apple in a jar of APPLE SAUCE. [b]That these numbers contain the data from a number of different kinds of "mass public shootings" [u]MOST of which I have already stipulated to the fact that you do not see a wide disparity in the ethnicity of the perpetrator[/u]. [/b]
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Of course you try to validate your erroneous opinions after you proved yourself wrong...
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Just Stop. [b]I dont' give a shit who's right, I care about what the truth is. [/b] The fact is that the people who compile the data simply don't look at these crimes the way that we are trying to do in this thread. So the data that you want is mixed in with the data from a lot of other, similar crimes. Cimes which----once again---I already STATED do not have an ethnic disparity.
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[quote]The fact is that the people who compile the data simply don't look at these crimes the way that we are trying to do in this thread. [/quote] You're the one that made the erroneous claim before knowing the numbers. You then cite a source that proves your erroneous opinions to be false. And now you are trying to dance around it to save face.... It's rather entertaining to watch
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Eye roll. Like I said. Just stop. 1. if you knew what the numbers were you wouldn’t have asked me for them. 2. The numbers [i]don’t exist[/i] because they haven’t been compiled. A point I have made the mistake of trying to [i]explain [/i] to you now for a third time.
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[quote]Eye roll.[/quote] Just like my teenage daughter.... [quote]1. if you knew what the numbers were you wouldn’t have asked me for them.[/quote] Says the guy who didn't know them but commented about them... [quote]2. The numbers [i]don’t exist[/i] because they haven’t been compiled. [/quote] So you made a claim off of imaginary numbers. Lol
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I made a claim from direct experience. Which is the basis of all science. And the numbers don't exist because law enforcement doesn't analyze these crimes in the way that we are trying to do here. So you've got NOTHING....but a lot of bluster. I can't prove that I'm right. But you can't prove me wrong either. Its a push because the data isn't there.
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I don't need to prove you wrong. You did that yourself with the link you provided
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In this case it was probably largely due to mental disorders mixed with other factors. As a growing trend in many of these shooters are also middle aged or even older it seems. Which indicates that these actions represent the intense feelings many in that demographic have towards the widespread change of values overtaking the country as a whole. I don't think it's any coincidence either that this shooter targeted a popular bar where young people were known to hang out in the middle of California, arguably at the forefront of this change. I think specific people, from a specific era are reacting to the rapid change the same way humans so often do... they feel like their traditional values are being infringed upon and are willing to "fight" for them by any means necessary, including.. well... this. It has the double effect of also striking fear into the hearts of said young or young minded ones. To get them to sit down and keep silent out of fear that they could be next. I'm not vilifying white people, and I've encountered and know many that spit in the face of that mindset. But these ones with power need to stop shedding the spotlight on Mexicans and Muslims and start looking at the serious contentions stirring within people of their own. Including mental illness in vererans. But of course that would mean sacrificing a paycheck or two, so...
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Very insightful. I agree with you. There’s an old saying, if you want to find the most entitled person in the room, look for the one who’s the angriest. I agree with you that part of what is motivating this violence is a violated expectation of [i]control.[/i]. A sense of I have a right to control my environment and what goes on around me, and the world refuses to comply. So I’ll force it to. I think that is why the perpetrators of these crimes tend to be overwhelmingly white and male because the culture created that expectation of power, and why the pertrators are rarely minorities and almost never women. The culture doesn’t create that sense of entitlement, and seldom gives the opportunity for that kind of power and control. What make for an interesting exception that might give insight into the “rule” is that one of the few African-Americans to commit such a crime was an [i]immigrant[/i]. Someone not raised in this culture, and therefore came to this country with a different set of expectations versus someone raised here. Can I say with certainty that this is what’s going on? [i]Nope.[/i] Like I said, it’s all speculation. But one that does seem to offer a plausible explanation for what is clearly an undeniable pattern.
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Yes it's an interesting situation with a lot of angles from which to look, and all of them could be a factor.... hut something needs to be done regardless
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Maybe if people stop demozing them, they won't shoot. He was a marine so he might of had other issues. Just stop with the identity politics, it's not mature.
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Not identity politics. It’s a demographic reality that needs to be confronted..... ...,but won’t.
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[quote]Not identity politics. It’s a demographic reality that needs to be confronted..... ...,but won’t.[/quote] What are you trying to say here? Do you think there’s a problem in the white community?
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Clearly there is. The perpetrators of this kind of random mass murder are so overwhelmingly white and male, that I just played the odds that the California shooter was..... ....and guessed correctly.
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[quote]Clearly there is. The perpetrators of this kind of random mass murder are so overwhelmingly white and male, that I just played the odds that the California shooter was..... ....and guessed correctly.[/quote] Well what do you presume the problem to be?
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If I may chime in, the biggest concern is scrutiny. People just don't seem to take note of white males displaying warning signs.
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Edited by TheArtist: 11/9/2018 12:38:09 AMI don’t know. I have ideas, but they are pure speculation.
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Yeah if only the shooter was concerned with national attention in this case. Ex marine with indications of mental illness over a year ago. No failures in the systems that were supposed to prevent this right? Also lets make it about race this time instead of mental illness, cause last time i checked a persons skin color was the best way to predict if that persons a homicidal maniac. Also youre right, spree killers are usually, not always, white. Minorities only shoot each other, their own neighborhoods, and rival drug dealers at a higher rate than white people. But that makes me sound racist :( Better not report those numbers on the news.
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[quote]The real question is why are these shooters overwhelmingly white and male? [/quote] They aren’t, but the way media follows these stories it would seem like it, right? More people are killed by guns over any given weekend in areas like east L.A. or south Chicago where the victims [i]and[/i] the guilty party are predominantly Latino or black, respectively.
