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10/29/2018 8:30:09 PM
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How can you want Luna's but then also have a problem with people using Telesto?
Telesto is one of the only answers to something as strong as Luna's or Shot gunners for that matter.
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Not the only option People crutch telesto because it has the damage and range of a vanilla fusion rifle in d1 (aka broken as -blam!-) The second bungie nerfs telesto/moves it to power everyone will stop using telesto. Because they dont use it for fun They use it cuz its a massive crutch. Requires no aim or control of burst unlike other fusion rifles
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You say it's not the only option yet provide no alternatives to combat the TTk of Lunas, Shotgunners and Telesto users. I usually use a bygones and side arm and pick my engagements accordingly however with the D2 maps there are limits to those options. If Telesto is a crutch then so is Luna's and Shotguns seen as they give a huge advantage, hence the justification for Telesto.
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High impact pulses Fusions Sidearms SMGs Crouch shooting Handcannons
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Barely any of those are consistent counters for the TTK of Luna's or Shot gun rushers.
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Consistent if you are good. Against luna, either play the range advantage (luna has a shitty range stat) or rush. Fusion nade + 1 primary shot will kill someone etc Luna's hard to go against (and needs a change, perk should only proc on a kill) but its by no means OP/unstoppable
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On the Short to mid range Destiny maps that is easier said then done. All I am saying is if Shot Guns and Luna's can do what they can do I am fine with pulling out my Telesto and standing a decent chance.
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Pretty sure I told you I'd be okay with them nerfing Luna's in another comment. There's a lot of things that need fixed in PvP atm. Also read my most recent edits to my post, I've changed it to better align with my ideas and views on the state of PvP.
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Yup pretty much, "Hey buddy you want free kills? CoMeGeTyOuRTeLeStO!" In all seriousness though, it's super overused in comp and people main the hell out of it. Honestly I'd say give it a slight buff, bigger 'purpley' explosions and move it to the heavy slot, problem solved.
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I want Luna because comp is pretty much unplayable at higher levels without it. Honestly though, I was just annoyed in comp, I do think Telesto's range is a tad ridiculous but that's just my personal opinion. I'll survive if they don't nerf it lol. However the other stuff I've said and addressed could be looked at.
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You yourself said that Luna's is everywhere in top tier comp and it's hard to compete without it? Isn't that the exact kind of statement that justifies a nerf to Luna's or warrent's Telesto being where it is for the people who don't have Luna's to compete.
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Yes it does justify a nerf to Luna's as I already said. If they nerf Luna's and other things Telesto can either be nerfed to align with other specials, or buffed and moved to the heavy slot.
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Then should you be advocating for Luna's to be moved to heavy slot as well seen as the range is similar and TTK?
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I don't use it all the time, just when needed to teach those a lesson who are using meta crutch weapons.
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Yeah it's kind of like whooping kids with a belt. It teaches them a lesson but they hate the whooping, and feel anger towards you, which could lead to bigger problems in the future...
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I get that some might see that as a justification to nerf Telesto however it's just not the case, it's all we have to combat the bum rushing shot gunners the high ttk hand cannon users as well as the Telesto users.
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Why not just use Telesto in comp then?
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I don't use crutch weapons unless I feel it is required, like Luna's Howl. As I said high tier comp is unplayable without it.
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I was playing comp last night with my clan and any time we came up against tools using Telesto, shot guns or luna's a couple of us would change to Telesto and the tides would change soon enough. People grind out for a strong gun like Luna's which gives them an edge in PVP yet complain when others use a gun that gives them an edge in PVP like Telesto? Logic is not lining up here.
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Read my other responses.
