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8/14/2018 3:25:24 PM
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First, you started WAAAAYYYYY late in the game my friend. Way late. Many people have already gotten redrix or have realized that half a month isn't really enough time for them to start trying.
-You play on PC so the player basis is already lower than on consoles
- No one "Gatekeeps", no one goes into comp in the sheer hope that they run into lower rank players and stop them from getting redrix, and if there is, there is a tiny, tiny minority.
- Solo play is a great idea when lower ranks (below 1200) because you know that the people you will be pared against will mostly be at your glory rank. (there are of course exceptions)
- LFG groups are a risky buisness, if you are as good as them it can be beneficial, but if you are worse than them then they might be upset when you also have poor plays.
- Your wins are supposed to be scrubbed due to bad matches, that's called LIFE. You can't expect to win every single match. DDoSing is an issue, but in the 150 games I played to get redrix, I was only DDoSed once, and while I wish Bungie would get dedicated servers already, it's not a huge reason comp is "terrible"
-If you want redrix you're going to have to fight fire with fire (ie. graviton or vigilance), And I'll also say that the graviton catalyst doesn't change much. It doesn't feel crazy better after it, it's only slightly noticable, and I completed redrix without it.
-I guess comp should be gated for lvl 20 guardians or higher, but most of my teammates below lvl 20 were extra characters, they knew what they were doing even with non-meta gear.
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-I like the solo players lose less points idea
-Personal contribution should not be taken into account, as you said it's a team game mode. I assume you don't stick with your teammates cause you think they are bad. Use them as bait, let them distract while you clean up if you truly are "carrying"
-I'm on board with the no dropping out of your current rank.
-Rank is the primary matchmaking feature, again you are playing on PC and very late in the game so the amount of people to choose from is very low. So it's either not play, or play against a wider rank pool.
- maps are not the issue.
- I'm down with seeing each players glory rank (I just look it up on destiny tracker, but in game would be nice as well).
-A double weekend once a season might not be too crazy, but understand that redrix is not supposed to be easy to obtain, it is a reward worthy of it's challenge. Someone could easily just wait until the double weekend and get it in one go if they're good enough, I went up 600 glory in one day (18 win streak), imagine if that was doubled, In one day I would be more than half way to redrix. I realize that is a rare case, but it would still make the item a lot easier to obtain.
-The M&K vs Controller debate is really dumb imo, both have their strengths and weaknesses. Aim assist vs no recoil is a fair trade, and it is universally known that M&K is the best to use because it has a higher skill ceiling allowing you to outplay most people on controller.
In conclusion based on your match history, you are usually in the same skill bracket as your team, with one or two games being an exception. If you really wanted redrix and cared about comp, you would have started the grind (that's what it is, a grind) months ago or at least on July 17th when comp got much better.
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Comp got better on July 17th? Please see all angles here. "Comp got better on July 17th, for me, and others in my general skill bracket" is a more accurate and honest approach to the wording. I am fairly certain the comp population has went off a cliff. I can comprehend skilled players being catered to as a boon to skilled players. I get that. But if the MM says "you shouldn't be here at all" ... well... you might not like the end result. All I see glory based doing is rock walling the bottom tier, who leave. This drops the next tier up down to the bottom, they leave. This drops the next tier up down to the bottom, they leave. This drops the next tier up down to the bottom, they leave. etc. In rare, very rare, cases you have someone get a nice monitor and headset, and put on their try extremely hard shoes (change to arc hunter, that helm, 1 of 2 pulse, smg, double jump every where deal a little dmg, dodge, hope someone cleans etc. and only run in teams of identical loadouts - yay!). And good on them. But, an unhealthy population can kill a game. That is what I see coming to Comp. Cyclical playlist abandonment. So having been catered to, what are you willing to give up for a healthy expanding population? I would really like to know.
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Comp got better on July 17th because of matchmaking heavily favoring glory rank, and the lose streak being a lot more forgiving. People aren't "leaving", I have plenty of lower skilled clanmates who want to play comp for fun, to play in a competitive manner, and MM based on glory has allowed them to have more enjoyable games instead of being paired with people who are nearing 2000. Is matchmaking perfect? no, and it'll never be. The OG post was a rant about how comp is the problem, but the real problem was that they JUST starting grinding for redrix, less than half a month away from Forsaken. AND that they play on PC which is already known for having a lower population. These two factors play heavily into why they had such a bad time in comp. Just wait, at the beginning of Forsaken when people have done a good amount of the PvE content and are ready to go after the new redrix (presumably Luna's Howl), the population of comp will be tremendous! Not to mention the low TTK changes will also greatly improve PvP, allowing for more solo plays, and less team shooting, and a new meta shift. I want to know what you want me, the "catered to", to give up? Do you want redrix to have been obtainable once you reach heroic rank? Honestly I don't know why I'm defending competitive, I don't enjoy it all that much, I got redrix and I got out of there. I personally am just happy Bungie added something that is a symbol of skilled players. Just like if you have the complete prestige raid set, or a prestige raid catalyst. I'm also extremely happy that glory or even valor rank isn't a toxic generator, and people don't call others out for having a lower rank than them, like in Overwatch. You wanna change it up, that's fine, but make sure that weapon isn't easy to obtain.
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"@JoshuaRellim Comp got better on July 17th because of matchmaking heavily favoring glory rank, and the lose streak being a lot more forgiving." Its probably not a good sign with regards to how you worded this. Let me fix it for you... "Comp got better on July 17th [b][i][u]for me and players of my own skill level or better[/u] [/i][/b]because of matchmaking heavily favoring glory rank [and I really have little to no concern for the playerbase as a whole and wish not to recognize another players perspective unless it matches my own], and the lose streak being a lot more forgiving."
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What the hell are you on? crack? YOU are the one that thinks glory rank didn't improve on July 17th. Did you not hear me when I said that my lower skilled clan mates are able to play comp now? Because matchmaking heavily factors in glory rank, they (at a lower glory rank) no longer are matched with people in the 1500 rank. They can play with other people who haven't touched comp all season. I recognize that you feel that glory rank didn't get better on the 17th, but you have YET to tell me why and how you feel it got worse. You're reasoning is just as hypocritical, because YOU are ignoring what I am saying and instead ignoring my perspective to favor your own. I'm trying to have a discussion here, but you are too butt hurt that you can't get redrix to actually logically discuss glory rank, and instead have let your emotions rule your reasons.
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It will (population increase), only because of DLC. It will not take long at all for people to drop out. Remind yourself about this post and revisit it 2 weeks after launch, then again 1 month after launch. Then reply again.
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Edited by ReclusiveRychu: 8/16/2018 2:38:55 PMYeah that's how DLC EFFING WORKS. People who aren't hobbists of Destiny will come back for the DLC to check it out and play it, and when they feel they have completed a good amount, or another game comes out they will stop playing. That's how the system works. The pvp community is already a fraction of the actual community, and an even smaller fraction of those people play comp. Not because glory rank is screwed up, but because they enjoy a more casual pvp experience. The sweaty-ness of comp is the reason people don't play it as much, not because glory rank and matchmaking are a problem. And half the people, like the OG post, will play a few games, and have a few bad games and get frustrated and blame the system for the game presenting them with a challenge. Redrix should not be easy to get, it should not be something that everyone can obtain. If you are not skilled, or patient enough to play until you get it then comp is not for you. Comp should not change because someone like you is upset that they can't beat higher skilled players.
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Ya, after Glory ranked dropped it went from 4% to 5%, then around 2 weeks later hit 2% of time spent in D2 was in Comp (which includes Trials!). That's pathetic. For your own amusement you can track it here. https://warmind.io/activity - spoiler alert: its currently at .2%, which is understandable given the expansion dropped today. Glory does allow newbs at 0 Glory to do mildly ok (you said your friends were "unskilled"), but they will hit a wall sooner rather than later. When this happens its less the reward they seek and more "git gud". Eventually, even that wanes and you have less and less time being spent in comp. Once they leave, their glory bracket gets that much harder for other new people. Same thing continues to happen. That is how Glory works against the player base. That is why populations will be low. At the time I posted all this stuff was well before the MOTW where Bungie espoused things about "keeping players wanting to play [Comp]. Interesting that they see the real numbers and chose to dedicate a portion of a MOTW to ensuring players there will be "reasons to keep playing". By all accords if Glory was the massive boon to Comp as you like to think, why the hell did the pops drop? Why the hell is Bungie actively addressing this?
