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4/24/2018 6:04:47 AM
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People who don't get their kids vaccinated should be charged with child endangerment. They bring their unvaccinated kids in public and put other children at risk. There was a measles outbreak at Disneyland last year and it was traced back to an unvaccinated kid. Every major medical/scientific organization in the world has concluded there is no link btw vaccines and autism.
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If vaccines work then what’s the problem 🧐
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Public schools should be allowed to exclude the unvaccinated. We'll see how much you like the pokey-poke when your other choice is home schooling.
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[quote]People who don't get their kids vaccinated should be charged with child endangerment. They bring their unvaccinated kids in public and put other children at risk. There was a measles outbreak at Disneyland last year and it was traced back to an unvaccinated kid. Every major medical/scientific organization in the world has concluded there is no link btw vaccines and autism.[/quote] Inquiry: how is an unvaccinated person a threat to vaccinated people?
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An unvaccinated child is a threat to children who have not yet been vaccinated, or who have not fully been vaccinated. That what happened in the case of the measles outbreak at Disneyland.
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They’re not, really, but not everyone can get vaccinated. Autoimmune deficiencies, allergies, etc. can make vaccination too dangerous for some people. Having every one else be vaccinated is what protects them instead.
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[quote]They’re not, really, but not everyone can get vaccinated. Autoimmune deficiencies, allergies, etc. can make vaccination too dangerous for some people. Having every one else be vaccinated is what protects them instead.[/quote] I see. The biggest reason and concerns of anti-vaxers is that they want to make sure that chemicals and substances used in each vaccine is made public, and explanation of why it’s used. I refer to the ones that do their research, not the blind, word of mouth types. Their concern also lies with past government abuses and ignorances of medicine, like thalidomide, STD infection, Syphilis in Tuskegee. Though I believe in vaccinations, those are still legitimate concerns and expectations.
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Edited by Tlaloc___: 4/25/2018 7:01:05 PMThe problem I have with people ‘doing their research’ is that the average person isn’t really trained to vet and analyze scientific papers. I’m not trying to be an elitist asshole here, but the truth is that research papers, especially those relating to molecular-scale biology, can be pretty inaccessible to all but the people in immediately related fields. Consistently understanding a paper, let alone assessing how reliable its conclusions are, is probably outside the abilities of all but the smartest layman. In that sort of situation, where you can only understand fragments of the argument, people will understandably glom onto the things they do understand or fall back onto confirmation bias. I’m not saying this because I think the average person isn’t smart enough to understand the papers, just that it takes time and training that most people simply don’t have. I will agree that greater transparency, with good explanations as to why certain compounds were used, would have gone a long way towards preventing the current situation. That’s definitely a significant failing of the CDC/WHO/etc.
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Thanks for that response! I am a parent with a weak immune system that can't take certain vaccines, my wife can't take certain vaccines and my daughter can't take any. I am thankful that my son can, though we sit in the doctor's office for hours waiting just to make sure he has no reaction. As to the autism portion, it is easy for people without kids to judge a parent for being scared of the vaccine's leading to autism, even though it is false. As a parent, all you want is for your child or children to be happy, healthy and prosperous. So when you hear, read, see, etc, "trusted" sources saying vaccines cause autism, it scares you. People do not understand this. You have this perfect little life that you are responsible for and you have to do the best you can for it, so how do you choose? These experts say this will give your child autism, but these experts say that is false and not doing it will hurt your child more. You agonize over the choice, because you do not want to hurt your baby, but you do not know who to trust. So then parents end up following the path of people they trust at a local level. Their friends, their pastor, their parents, etc. It is easy for people to judge, especially when they do not have that choice to make or have the joy of hindsight. Just to be clear, I do not believe vaccines cause autism and I do believe people should get the vaccine's they can get and I completely agreed with what you said.
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The problem is that the people claiming vaccines cause autism are relying on junk science, which has been proven false.
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To give a bit of backstory there as well, What really boosted the whole "vaccines cause autism" was a quack researcher who somehow got his results out to the public. But everyone who has gone through a college stat class could read his results and realize that his error margins were huge, and his study had such a low power, that there no way it was close to legitimate. Nevermind the fact that a large chunk of what he measured was correlational. Which, in regards to health and medicine, has to be taken with a grain of salt. Now, to those who didnt know stats, or bssic methods of research they read the paper, and while yes, his research showed causation, they didnt realize why his results couldnt be taken seriously. That then got passed on to the public, spread like wildfire until more and more people saw it. Sadly, it is how so many rumors start.
