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7/26/2017 4:38:14 PM
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No. This contradicts the book of sorrows and the vex 1-4 grimior cards.
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How so? From what I've read none of those cards state definitively where the Vex originate, and it is still possible for the Traveler to have created them as I describe, and later for them to have entered through to Oryx's realm from the new space. It doesn't define exactly what that new space is, after all, or tell us how it is that it is new. It might just be previously unexplored by the Hive. And grimoire 1-4 simply goes over how Vex minds simulate, not their origin. The scientists theorize about whether you could use the Citadel specifically to change time and theorize that it can't, but that's not a definite answer, once again. I'm willing to concede I might be wrong, but I'm wondering how, specifically, it contradicts. If it's an impossibility, I'd like to know why.
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What happened in the throne world is eons before the traveler came to earth. And they hadn't encountered the hive or the darkness before so that disprove that. Also the vex on Venus were the only vex known in the system.
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Ah, I see where the confusion is. You're not taking into account the time-travel portion of the theory. From what we know of the Vex, things point towards them somehow changing the past and asserting themselves into our timeline. So worlds that weren't supposed to be Vex suddenly became Vex. This means it's impossible for us to know the actual time when the Vex were birthed, unless we find specific evidence of it, such as their point of origin. It could be in the past, it could be in the future, we just know that at some point they changed things. It makes sense that in going back in time to change things, they would encounter the Hive and Oryx. The theory is just that the origin point of the Vex might be Io, and at some point, after being corrupted, they went back and changed things, and suddenly, for our timeline, were powerful enough to cause the collapse.
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But if the vex hadn't encountered the hive or the darkness then how could they have been corrupted by it previously in their timeline?
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Edited by eternalazhrei: 7/27/2017 2:11:38 PMThe Darkness isn't limited to just The Deep, who is the messenger that the Hive encountered. The Deep is like the Traveler in that way, not the Darkness itself, just as the Traveler is not, itself, the Light. In the same way, there may be other emissaries, or other methods that the Darkness employs to We don't yet know very much about the Darkness, and it will be a while longer as Bungie is putting aside that concept to explore the Light first in Destiny 2. That's why the character wipe screen in Destiny 2 is "You Light Fades from Existence".
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No the Deep [b]is[/b] the Darkness just like the Sky [b]is[/b] the Light.
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I'm sorry, you're right, I got confused with the Leviathan, who also tried to prevent the three sisters from reaching the Deep. However, we have heard of someone seeing the Darkness take possession of a Captain before, so it's not exactly impossible for it to have found a way to corrupt the Vex. The main point here is that the grimoire isn't definite enough to prohibit my theory. We don't know enough about their origin or the Darkness to be absolutely sure that about different theories. We see the Vex enter the Hive realm through Crota's wound, but it calls the Vex side of the wound a "new world" which could mean many different things. But it also doesn't state that this is their origin point, or that the come form another dimension and had no place in ours, or anything like that. Not yet. There are other options for Io, the Vex, and The Traveler. The Traveler might have woken something on Io that had to do with the Vex and started the Collapse. It might have opened another "wound" into their universe and let them in. It might have done any number of things that started the Collapse there, and given the vast number of Vex looking things, it's likely that the Vex are involved. But it's also not impossible that this is the Vex origin. That's what it really boils down to.
