Question ( and I'm really not trying to be an a-hole, so please don't take it that way.) Aside from not being able to have a group page on this side, what inconvenience are you gaining? You will still very much be able to use your Discord server. You will obviously still be able to help those people that aren't officially in the same D2 clan as you. They didn't actually change anything about clans besides what they're adding from what I understand. They just are removing groups, right? Now you've expounded on why larger clans DON'T feel less "close" than smaller ones would, even though psychology says differently. I'm not saying I don't believe you. Stranger things have happened. I will say that I don't think it's necessary to house all those people in one clan. Just as I said earlier, there are obviously no restrictions on you playing with people outside of your official D2 clan. I'm willing to bet there's more "community" going on in Discord than on this site. I could be wrong, but judging on my use of the two different sites, communication is a LOT easier on Discord ( something else Bungie could change for the better.) Point being, you're not missing out on anything aside from having a group page on this site unless I'm really missing something. I won't get into loot tables and what not since, as you said, it's all a guess which makes the conversation speculative at best. Speculative=useless. Again, not trying to discredit or be mean or whatever. I'm just seeing that as the only real downside here and can't understand why that's such a horrific thing?