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Because eventually every job is going to be automated whether we want them to be automated or not. Raising the minimum wage is a stepping stone. Eventually, a universal basic income will become necessary as the job market shrinks even more and more people are born.
Taxi drivers, gas stations, bus drivers, cashiers, cooks, servers, etc. etc. will no longer exist. Only robots.
We need to start thinking about how we want to restructure our society.
A society with 340 million people and only a few thousand jobs available is not possible for our society to function. The poor will become extremely poor while a few rich get extremely rich. We are seeing a little bit of that transition now with the rise of automation in recent years.
Eventually, we will reach the point where humans don't need to work at all. Robots will be running everything, and making more robots. Humans will just exist. Live. Do what they want with no need to worry about work, food, water etc.
So, what are humans to do? How can wealth be earned if no jobs become available?
Money will be obsolete, so people will have to find wealth in other ways. We will have to redefine wealth.
My guess is entertainment. Creativity. Pleasure. Such emotions will become the new currency.
I believe concepts like this are explored in "A Brave New World."
Automation is on the rise. It's already here. We need to adapt.
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"Work" will become intellectual work. Which is why any society that skimps on education, or tries to limit education to only those at the top in an effort to preserve class privileges, is ultimately shooting itself in the foot. But---as you said----the era of being able to sell your labor is coming to an end in the "First World". Because either a machine.....or some poor person in the Developing world....can do it cheaper.
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Pretty damn true
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I'm just hoping this eventually isn't going to be in my lifetime, because that's terrifying.
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Whoa. Take a like bro
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My thoughts exactly.
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Wall-E is becoming real...
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Communism....
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No, not Communism. Communism is a "Dictatorship of the Working Class" over everyone else. What he's saying is our notions of "work" need to change from this "Agricultural/Industrial" mindset of "I sell my labor in exchange for resources". Because----here in the first world----increasingly machines (or people in the developing world) can do it cheaper. Work in the future is going to become producing an INTELLECTUAL product. Whether its entertainment....or developing/.maintaining the machines that do our manual labor. But if we persist in this notion that "Work is selling your labor for resources" mindset......we are gradually going to create this MASSIVE, PERMANENT underclass that is not only Unemployed....but is UNEMPLOYABLE. ....and that is a recipie for revolutions and wars. ...and we're already starting to see the signs of that increasing, class-and-ethnic unrest here in the West. We ignore it at our own peril. "Let them eat cake" didnt' work out so well for Marie Antoinette, when she was told the French peasantry had no bread and were starving.
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No, we could still have elections for politicians. I doubt many people would want politicians to be replaced with robots. Robots shouldn't be governing humans. We'd still have freedom and such. Just a totally socialist economy.
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I'd prefer a robot over a human tbh.
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Wouldn't you want lower wages in order to make it cheaper and more appealing to keep an employee rather than make/maintain a robot?
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Problem is long term. Employees are paid continuously. A robot is a one-time investment.
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Not at all, robots take a lot of maintenance. Sure, they work much more efficiently and precise than humans, but they take upkeep just like anything else. The more complex, the more they break down, and the more expensive they are to repair. Take it from someone who used to work in that industry. The cots difference is in other areas.
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Counterpoint is that a machine only needs repair when it needs it. Humans get a constant salary.
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Counterpoint, (to your counterpoint) The purchase and maintenance [i]annually[/i] of just one robot costs as much as the total [i]annual[/i] cost of 6 to 12 humans, depending on location (geography) and comparable tasks. A good article that explains just the rudimentary, and expansive, costs of robots. Not to mention the human labor needed for it. https://techcrunch.com/2016/03/27/the-real-cost-of-robotics/ Where robots make up for their cost is a completely different area. If you'd like I'll explain it, and a lot it is probably not where you might think it is.
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[quote]Wouldn't you want lower wages in order to make it cheaper and more appealing to keep an employee rather than make/maintain a robot?[/quote] If you cut wages, and I now make $1,000/mo instead of $2,000/mo, will all of my other costs like housing, utilities, food, gas, etc, all drop immediately, too?
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Robots that repair and maintain other robots.
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[quote]Robots that repair and maintain other robots.[/quote] Then which ones repair those? [spoiler]Mind=blown.[/spoiler]
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By the time those ones break down, Skynet would have eradicated humanity
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Exactly.
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