{{
`${userDetail.user.displayName}${userDetail.user.cachedBungieGlobalDisplayNameCode ? `#${standardizeBungieGlobalCode(userDetail.user.cachedBungieGlobalDisplayNameCode)}` : ""}`}}
{{getUserClans()}}
6/15/2017 3:19:08 PM
36
-
We need to support Trump and his agenda. The fake news is real.
-
Trump will be the death of the United States. Mark my words.
-
He probably will, but I'd take him over Hillary any day.
-
Edited by REVIVE PHARMER: 6/16/2017 12:03:20 AMLiberals will be the demise of our civilization as we know it. Mental illness is rampant throughout the Liberal party and no one within their ranks seem to notice.
-
[quote]Conservatives will be the demise of our civilization as we know it. Mental illness is rampant throughout the Conservative party and no one within their ranks seem to notice.[/quote]
-
So you can copy, paste, and edit what I posted in a very pathetic effort to refute my statement. Nice try though. Conservatism is the very foundation on which our republic stands. Without it, the country in which you currently live would not exist. The socialist, Marxist, borderline communist principles the Liberals hold in such high regard would destroy this nation and our way of life. It didn't work in Russia. It's not working in Venezuela. Canada's socialized healthcare system is propped up by OUR healthcare system. Obamacare is failing. I can DESTROY any Liberal argument you can bring. Come on with it.
-
Edited by SuperStormDroid: 6/16/2017 3:14:19 AM[quote]Conservatism is the very foundation on which our republic stands. Without it, the country in which you currently live would not exist. [/quote] That's funny, because last time I checked, the British were the conservatives of the era of the nation's founding, and we were fighting them back in 1776. That would make the founders liberal in a sense.
-
Libertarian. Not liberals
-
Okay, why do most European countries have the happiest citizens, best healthcare, best schools, and best transportation systems to name a few? If the Europeans hated their "borderline communist, marxist" states so much then why do they have them? Why do they love them? Why do the citizens continue to support those ideals? Because they are good ideals. Good policies. Logical policies. You keep equating Democratic Socialist ideals with that of communists. Which is completely wrong. The ideals of Democratic socialism are [i]logical[/i]. Capitalism is good, but needs control. Certain markets in the economy need government control because they shouldn't be operated for profit. Yet, you seem to think liberals want a full on socialist state. And, of course, you cherry pick Venezuela. A country that has always had political turmoil (some caused by the U.S. mind you). Venezuela is a failed socialist state because it is poor, corrupt, and doesn't have a strong economy. How can you have a socialist government that provides for its people when the government doesn't make any money? You can't. But, socialism works in wealthier, more advanced countries. Because there is money. There is an economy. There are jobs, skills, and products to be made. Venezuela doesn't have this.
-
Edited by REVIVE PHARMER: 6/16/2017 1:21:27 AMHonest question: Did you serve in the military? It's not a loaded question meant to target or put you down. You seem like a reasonable person I can have a civilized conversation with.
-
-
Edited by REVIVE PHARMER: 6/16/2017 3:23:14 AMI did. And if government run healthcare operated like the military medical services, you DO NOT want it. Do some research. The VA health system is one of the lest effecient, least effective health care systems in the developed world. Vets are dying every day. Administrators and government officials decide whether or not you receive treatment, not the doctors. Is that what you really want? Canada's socialized healthcare system is literally being propped up by our healthcare system. The people that can afford to, come to the US and pay for services here. Everyone else is subject to minimal service or denial of service based on cost, not necessity.
-
I'd also like to address the VA health system. Why do you think it is so bad? It's because of its funding. And the Republicans in office want to cut it even more. Here is my problem with everything. Our government is fine with spending $600 billion on its military, but doesn't want to care for its own citizens. It's doesn't want to pay more for veterans. It doesn't want to pay for schools, and roads, and doctors. All of the problems with the country all come down to one thing. Priorities. In fact, that is what all problems in human society boil down to. Everyone always prioritizes themselves over others. And I'm not saying I'm not guilty of this. Everyone is at some point. But, it's all about hiw we prioritize our money. The film industry made $35.9 billion in 2013. Now put that in perspective. People will pay $35.9 billion to go see a film, but God forbid we give everyone healthcare. God forbid we have a good infrastructure. God forbid we have good education. Imagine if people didn't waste their money of trivial things and focused their priorities on giving everyone on this planet food, water shelter, healthcare, and education. But, I'm going off on an idealistic tangent. In the end, I want America to get better. I want everyone to be able to go to the doctors. I want everyone to live life to their fullest. Which is why I support things like universal healthcare.
-
Edited by REVIVE PHARMER: 6/16/2017 4:00:15 AMWe can get ideological. I don't mind, and I won't get angry. For the past 8 years, the Democrats had complete control of the federal government. And what happened? Things got worse. Dems didn't increase school funding. Dems did nothing to help vets. Hussein Obama barely acknowledged the men and women serving in uniform. Dems did nothing to stem the flow of illegals into the US, (another matter altogether) who not only funnel money out of the US, but place a significant strain on entitlement programs without putting a penny in. The economy was the worst it's been in decades under Democrat control. Stricter regulations on manufacturing, farming, and emissions have stifled jobs across the entire nation.
-
Edited by LxGhostSniperxL: 6/16/2017 4:16:35 AM[quote]We can get ideological. I don't mind, and I won't get angry. For the past 8 years, the Democrats had complete control of the federal government. And what happened? Things got worse. Dems didn't increase school funding. Dems did nothing to help vets. Hussein Obama barely acknowledged the men and women serving in uniform. Dems did nothing to stem the flow of illegals into the US, (another matter altogether) who not only funnel money out of the US, but place a significant strain on entitlement programs with putting a penny in.[/quote] I have to disagree. Republicans were stonewalling Obama when they took control of Congress. Just like the Dems. are trying to stonewall Trump right now (even though they really can't). Republicans also controlled the Supreme court. And before that the Democrats had to deal with the economy and the financial collapse. And you cannot say that the economy has not made a comeback since then. Obama dug us out of the hole. He just didn't do enough to help certain members the American population like the forgotten white working class. Things did not get worse for me. Not worse for my family. Not worse for my friends. At least, none of the things that happened in politics affected us. But that's just me. I don't know how they might have affected you personally. Actually, that's a good question to ask. How did any of Obama's policies negatively affect your life in any way? The only thing I would guess is maybe Obamacare. Maybe some veteran things. I don't know. I'm not you. Obama never hurt me and tried to help others as much as he could. I strongly believe that. Watch out for the Reps. though. If you think anything will get any better with them in charge you are wrong. Things will only get worse. Instead of not increasing funding to education and veterans, you will see massive cuts.
-
I live in the rust belt. In "forgotten America". Obama and the Dems represented a wrecking ball here. Stricter regulations on manufacturing and emissions we're enough to shut down alot of manufacturing facilities here. The impact on farming (another significant source of income here) was 10 fold. When the Dems abandoned the working class and went all in on special interest groups, they sealed their fate. Our communities are being ravaged by drugs flowing almost unchecked into the US because of Dems open border policy and lacidasical view of drug enforcement. Strict gun legislation has crime running rampant in large cities close to me and it's spilling out into smaller communities like where I live.
-
I'll have to reply when I get a chance. I'm tired and would like to sleep. ;)
-
I'll be looking for it.
-
Edited by LxGhostSniperxL: 6/16/2017 3:32:06 AMAgain, other countries that have government run healthcare think it is alien to not have have it. The people realize that the system has faults, but the positives vastly out way the negatives. Trump even complemented Australia on its universal healthcare and how it's so superior to ours. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/259153/ Above is a link to an article with a map indicating all of the countries that have universal healthcare. Notice how all modern, Western nations have them aside from the U.S. The only countries that don't have it are the poor, war torn African countries, poor South American countries, the war torn middle east, communist China, and the U.S. Sure, are there horror stories from Canadians who die because they couldn't see a doctor in time to treat them? Yes. But, you are forgetting the horror stories nowadays. Instead of the government deciding who lives and dies, its the drug and insurance companies. There are tens of thousands of people that die each year because they don't have access to healthcare. There are people that choose to not get medical treatment because of the cost and die because of it. Heck, half on my family is from Canada. I've witnessed the horrors of the Canadian healthcare system with my own eyes. But you know what? My Canadian family members don't mind it. Because they realize it is for the good of the society. Both systems have positives. Both systems have negatives. But, universal healthcare has more positives. Money should not be a determining factor in what healthcare you receive. It's not fair.
-
You're right. It's not fair. When, in your life, did anyone promise you that life was going to be fair? We do have a major problem in the health care system here in the US. The cost of healthcare is rampant and out of control. Why is no one asking this question: Why is healthcare so expensive and getting more expensive by the day? Thousands of charities pump billions of dollars into medical research. Our government does the same. Manufacturing of medical equipment and pharmaceuticals is more efficient and cheaper to produce than ever before. Yet healthcare costs rise. It doesn't make any sense. We agree on the issue. Healthcare costs are a problem. But as long as I have breath in my lungs, I will speak out against government involvement in healthcare.
-
I implore you, research this. The NYT, Washington comPost, Clinton News Network, MSNBC, they are lying to you.
-
Well, I don't read or watch any of those sources because I know they are "the media". And like I said, I've experienced universal healthcare firsthand. I know many people from other countries with it and they love it, or in better terms, accept it. They don't understand why there are Americans that believe it is evil. Why should people's lives be in the hands of for profit insurance and drug companies instead of the non profit government? It makes no sense. Again, Democratic liberals like myself don't want a full blown socialist econony. There are just certain aspects like healthcare that should not be run like a for profit business because it is illogical to do so. If you were to have a vote in any modern nation on this planet with universal healthcare on whether or not universal healthcare should remain or be abolished I 100% guarantee all of the nations would vote for it to remain. But, that's heresay.
-
Obamacare was one step towards universal healthcare and the electoral majority here, in the US, rejected it when WE elected President Trump. Mainly because it's not fair. On my two hands, I have ten fingers. These ten fingers represent people I know. Of them, 6 are honest, hardworking individuals who care and want to be productive. 2 are complete dead beats, addicted to drugs/alcohol, don't want to work or be productive at all and have found a way to game the system. 1 is an undocumented immigrant. He works for cash and pays $0 in taxes but draws a nice chunk of money from government entitlement programs. 1 is a single mother struggling to provide. Times are tough but with government assistance, schooling assistance, and working when she can. Under universal healthcare, all of these people would receive the same healthcare, despite their contribution. How's that fair?
-
[quote]Obamacare was one step towards universal healthcare and the electoral majority here, in the US, rejected it when WE elected President Trump. Mainly because it's not fair. On my two hands, I have ten fingers. These ten fingers represent people I know. Of them, 6 are honest, hardworking individuals who care and want to be productive. 2 are complete dead beats, addicted to drugs/alcohol, don't want to work or be productive at all and have found a way to game the system. 1 is an undocumented immigrant. He works for cash and pays $0 in taxes but draws a nice chunk of money from government entitlement programs. 1 is a single mother struggling to provide. Times are tough but with government assistance, schooling assistance, and working when she can. Under universal healthcare, all of these people would receive the same healthcare, despite their contribution. How's that fair?[/quote] Yes, Obamacare was a failed system because it wasn't universal healthcare. In fact, if you compare a similar healthcare plan by Nixon, you'd know that the old Republican healthcare ideology and plan was that of Obamacare. And, I must also point out that "WE" did not elect Donald Trump (in the sense you seem to be implying.) Most Americans did not want him president. Most Americans do not want him to be president right now. I know, "the electoral college decides the winner." And, "3 million votes were illegal." But, it is a fact that Trump did not win with support from most Americans, nor were 3 million votes "fake." So, "WE" did not elect him. An outdated, undemocratic system and a crappy Democratic candidate elected him. And to answer your question. Yes, it is fair. Healthcare is considered a human right in most modern countries. Like clean air, food, and water. You don't let people starve to death because they don't pay taxes. You don't let people die of lung cancer because they are too old and insurance doesn't want to pay for treatment. I guess that is the difference between our ideals. Our idea on what universal healthcare is. You see it as a product, as it has been for a long time. But I, and the rest of the modern world sees it as a right.
-
Lmao. See, here's where you're wrong. We did elect President Trump. He won the popular vote and the electorate. I'm not sure where you got this 3 million illegal vote garbage from but in all states that performed recounts, Trump's share increased. And of the recount states that performed investigations voter fraud was found in only the Democrat voter segments.
